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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#32226: May 4th 2015 at 12:18:36 PM

I think the point is more that Tony would sacrifice himself in a heartbeat if necessary...and Vision is practically his child. So he might get the idea to do it, too.

edited 4th May '15 12:19:12 PM by Swanpride

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#32227: May 4th 2015 at 12:20:00 PM

The science bros had a baby and Thor was the doctor

hah

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#32228: May 4th 2015 at 12:21:18 PM

That is how it often works in real life, though. Powerful authority figures are often judged by weighing their goods against their sins.

They're really not, though. It generally takes just one goat to be known as the Goat-F*cker, no matter how much good one does besides. Nobody cares what Darren Wilson's career was like before he shot Michael Brown. He could have been the greatest cop ever, solving numerous murders and rapes, apprehending countless criminals, protecting babies in orphanages, etc. It wouldn't matter, because he shot Michael Brown.

Michael Jackson was only absolved of the allegations of pedophilia in the public eye after he died.

Who even remembers or cares about O.J. Simpson's football career? How about his film acting?

edited 4th May '15 12:23:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32229: May 4th 2015 at 12:23:07 PM

[up]For some people it still doesn't matter since Darren Wilson has supporters but let's not go too far off topic.

This will definitely make people a bit more wary of the Avengers and powered people in general but I don't think they'll have angry mobs after them.

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#32230: May 4th 2015 at 12:24:25 PM

I don't think people are going to be more wary of the Avengers as a whole; I think the worst the group is going to get is accusations of negligence in allowing the Hulk so much free reign. They're going to get a lot more shit over the Hulk rampage than anything else.

Banner's pretty much gone right back to Public Enemy Number One, though.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#32231: May 4th 2015 at 12:29:55 PM

After the MCU was established Thanos once beat up Carol, Steve, Bruce and Thor at the same time in a event with some backup on his side(who were pretty quickly beaten down leaving Thanos and a elite mook versus the rest). This is his reaction to Thor.

Thanos two rivals in his life was Adam Warlock and Captain Mar-Vell. Both were pretty much the strongest heroes in their age who weren't actual gods.

edited 4th May '15 12:35:47 PM by LordofLore

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#32232: May 4th 2015 at 12:31:02 PM

Well, the last night Hulk ripped up a place then went into exile, the public reaccepted him okay as long as he smashed the enemies' faces more. It's likely the same would happen again around the time of Infinity War.

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#32233: May 4th 2015 at 12:42:17 PM

I wonder if SHIELD might have censored or put a lid on that one though, because when Bruce muses leaving the team, he says that South Africa was the first time the public ever saw the "real Hulk" and that now they would turn on the Avengers. If that's the first time the public ever saw the Hulk as a malicious, destructive force, that would suggest they weren't fully aware of his previous rampages.

On that subject, Mark Ruffalo confirms Hulk is not in Civil War. Evans says Civil War also sets up things for Infinity War.

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#32234: May 4th 2015 at 12:45:40 PM

[up][up] Oh, yeah, once Infinity War rolls around, people will be fine with him coming back. The general public has a short attention span. Today, he's a walking disaster zone that nearly destroyed a city for no good reason. Tomorrow's a bit early for him to come back from that. Next month, all will be forgiven.

[up] His public appearances prior to that were either in response to GEN Ross's horrifically public attempts to neutralize him, which are more Ross's fault than Banner's, or that one time when he broke Harlem to stop the Abomination. This was the first time the public ever experienced the Hulk instigating an unnecessary conflict.

edited 4th May '15 12:47:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32235: May 4th 2015 at 12:47:22 PM

"Boo Hulk!" -aliens- -Hulk fighs aliens- "Yay Hulk!"

[up] I'm reminded that the Rising Tide leaked video of the Harlem incident has the Abomination colored green and identified as the Hulk.

edited 4th May '15 12:48:06 PM by Bocaj

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#32236: May 4th 2015 at 12:48:11 PM

[up][up][up]Dunno, there were news reports during that time when he hulked out at Culver University. Anyone who lived in Harlem then also knew something happened too.

EDIT: What y'all said. [nja]

edited 4th May '15 12:50:13 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#32237: May 4th 2015 at 12:48:31 PM

[up][up][up][up]The public definitely knew about his previous rampage. Ben Urich wrote an article about it.

edited 4th May '15 12:48:41 PM by Kostya

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#32238: May 4th 2015 at 12:50:26 PM

At the time, Culver University was probably terrifying, especially given the lack of information as to what was happening. However, the fact that Ross was unloading heavy-grade military weaponry on a civilian locale in his own goddamn country to provoke the Hulk into an engagement with potentially disastrous results would not be difficult to spin in Banner's favor at all, given that Banner was basically a victim in that.

Once the Chitauri Invasion made people willing to give Banner's side a listen, I would not be surprised if Ross's name was heavily vilified in social media.

edited 4th May '15 12:50:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32240: May 4th 2015 at 1:05:36 PM

[up]So first Pvt. Lorraine screws up things with Cap and Peggy, and now 70 years later she's a Black Widow?

edited 4th May '15 1:05:49 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#32241: May 4th 2015 at 1:07:09 PM

If it means a Black Widow movie then yes by all means have that be the reveal.

It'd be dumb but we'd get a Black Widow movie!

edited 4th May '15 1:07:29 PM by Bocaj

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#32242: May 4th 2015 at 1:09:45 PM

I guess I am not the only one unhappy about that particular arc....

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#32243: May 4th 2015 at 1:10:57 PM

There have been several people in this very thread also complaining about it.

Also, nobody is ever the only anything on the internet.

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#32244: May 4th 2015 at 1:13:24 PM

[up][up][up][up]I still remember hoping Private Lorraine would turn out to be Madame Hydra.

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#32245: May 4th 2015 at 1:16:27 PM

Breaking up the happy couple! Her most evil scheme yet! Then she stole Steve's parachute while on the Valkyrie, influenced the heartbroken Peggy to found S.H.I.E.L.D., then orchestrated HYDRA's infiltration of it! That villainous private!

edited 4th May '15 1:17:05 PM by Tuckerscreator

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#32246: May 4th 2015 at 1:16:39 PM

First of all, who's Private Lorraine, and second, to [up][up], wouldn't Marvel not be allowed to use Madame Hydra, since Fox used her for The Wolverine?

[nja]

edited 4th May '15 1:30:56 PM by HallowHawk

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#32247: May 4th 2015 at 1:17:16 PM

You mean like how Marvel can't use Quicksilver, because Fox used him first in Days of Future Past?

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#32248: May 4th 2015 at 1:17:41 PM

That one woman who was flirting with Steven which Peggy walked in on in First Avenger.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32249: May 4th 2015 at 1:18:01 PM

Did Ultron feel like a total Anti-Climax Boss to anybody else? The Avengers weren't exactly having trouble in the last fight. just bugs me

Also, Helicarrier Ex Machina. [tdown]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#32250: May 4th 2015 at 1:18:55 PM

[up]x4 Private Lorraine was the blond woman played by Natalie Dormer who pulled Steve into a kiss in The First Avenger and made Peggy mad. The above joke script has Yelena Belova played by her. Hence the jokes about them being the same.

No, Marvel wouldn't be able to use Madame Hydra in the films (I think), but she did show up in the Captain America: Super Soldier tie-in game.

edited 4th May '15 1:23:40 PM by Tuckerscreator


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