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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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That was my interpretation of the line as well. She was a monster because of all the horrible things she did prior to joining SHIELD, something that was brought up in both the Avengers and Winter Soldier. The point about her being sterile was a separate point. Now it wasn't exactly something she was happy about, and I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to be less then thrilled at the idea of having the choice of whether or not to have children to be forever denied them, but it was still a separate point.
Having said that since it appears to be a common mistake, I can understand the argument that it could probably of been worded better.
edited 3rd May '15 7:11:14 PM by Falrinn
IIRC, her saying she considers herself a monster directly follows her explaining that Red Room cut her up and made her infertile as part of their graduation. Connecting the two is an easy interpretation to make given how those lines were actually delivered - I wouldn't even call it a misinterpretation (since she clearly means to include that as part of what she's talking about) as much as taking it strictly on face value.
In any case, my immediate take on the scene was that she considered herself a monster because of the horrible things the Red Room did to her to make her their prized assassin in general, which includes being made sterile and also includes killing folks. I do think that her having guilt over killing people (which she never actually stated, iirc - the implication that she has that in mind is largely limited to the clip they showed of her having to kill a person tied up) needed to have more prominence - especially given the start on that topic we got in Avengers 1 and Winter Soldier - and really what she was talking about in general needed more development, since she didn't get a lot of that in comparison to Bruce.
edited 3rd May '15 7:20:55 PM by KnownUnknown
Yeah, in none of the movies have I actually felt like Natasha has any remorse over killing anyone. She just seems kinda...bored. But that could just be down to her being played by Scar Jo.
My various fanfics.I think part of it is direction. She in general seems a lot more muted and... well... flat in Avengers, whereas she has a lot of nuance in Winter Soldier. I really felt how much having to be the kind of person who can't be trusted by the people around her to survive and succeed weighed on her there.
edited 3rd May '15 7:29:27 PM by KnownUnknown
Part of it's just the fact that she's a soldier. When she called herself a monster, she was having a private conversation with someone she's willing to open up to emotionally. In every other situation we've seen her in, she's behaved like a professional because she's a goddamn professional.
In all three of her appearances since Avengers, Widow has consistently been The Atoner, but with enough discipline and self-control to not be walking around openly weeping about her tragic, tragic past. That didn't change here.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I really didn't even like her flirting with Banner at the bar. I mean, maybe if she was flirting with everyone in a joking manner, but her just out right flirting with him... came out of nowhere.
I ALMOST want to say she wouldn't be the person to actually flirt like that with someone she's romantically interested in, but I'm not entirely sure.
I also didn't like how she plays The Love Interest to Banner rather than Banner playing the Love Interest to her.
That's an interesting point. The dynamic would feel very different if it were Banner trying to appeal to her instead of her trying to catch his eye. On one hand, it would be a ton of character development for him because it'd show he's stopped trying to flee relationships. On the other hand, it matters that it be shown that Nat is treating Banner differently from other guys.
Betty Ross is not in Age of Ultron because she turned into a vampire
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She's going to show up as a vampiric red she-hulk and fight Nat isn't she?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersRe: "The second worst was Mrs. Hawkeye saying "You know I support your Avenging" and no one in the theater but me laughing at how goofy it sounds whenever they use avenging as a verb."
I brought that up many pages ago, and commented that Joss had gone into George Lucas territory with that line.
Like creepy stories? Check out my book!Well, avenging is a legit verb though.
This isn't even a revengeance situation where its obscure.
The Avengers have been fighting Hydra. Who have done some sick shit. So they're avenging those wrongs. Avenging.
Its a group called Avengers and aside from assembling, they avenge.
Although the verb I'd use is Avengers avengering.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI didn't mind it so much, largely because everyone was making those kind of quips. But I agree that using it in general vernacular it's almost like the Merry Men song in Robin Hood: Men in Tights. Do the Avengers have a theme song they sing? "We are the Avengers, we go on avenging..."

edited 3rd May '15 7:10:04 PM by Kostya