Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules
still apply.
- This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
- While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread
. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
- Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.
If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
![]()
My mistake and my apologies. I thought you hadn't seen it. If you don't like it, that's fine.
The one-liners definitely felt stale this time. Personal favoritism left me with a bad taste in my mouth that they killed Quicksilver. I like that guy and he always gets the raw end of the deal in his stories. I did like incorporation of The Vision, and was accepting of the different origin of the Maximoffs, though i don't especially like it.
Ultron was portrayed well. You could see his insanity.
Did feel a bit cramped, too.
Edit: the push for narrative consistency (in terms of making everything centered around the Infinity Stones, including now more metahuman origins) does harm the films, i think. Part of good worldbuilding is the idea that there's a lot of stuff going on. The real world doesn't have narrative cohesion, and comic book world reflects that. There are a ton of different stories that clash and collide: Joker finds Kryptonite, Wanda and Pietro defect from the Brotherhood not to join the mutant heroes but join the Avengers instead, you've got future-conquerors like Kang fighting guys from ancient history like Gilgamesh. It's a big melting point and it makes the universe feel more lived-in.
edited 2nd May '15 7:21:50 PM by Ogodei
I do kind of feel that Marvel gave Whedon much more free reign in terms of the dialogue, which is why there were so many one-liners and usage of Buffy Speak. Not quite sure it worked out all that well, but hey, could've been worse.
And yeah, Marvel Studios is approaching movies the same way they approach comic books, which has resulted in both positives and negatives. After all, what works in comics doesn't necessarily translate well into movies, which is where I think some of the criticism comes from.
Though, I also think that some of the critics dislike Marvel's approach of their films being a committee focused universe because they still prefer the auteur way of filmmaking, where the director gets most, if not all of the control over the film, and let's his/her voice be heard all the way through it. Again, Edgar Wright leaving also sort of illustrates how this can clash with auteur directors.
Your thoughts? Do you think Marvel needs to loosen up their strict world building and let directors have their voice and personal touch more visible in their films? Or are you fine with how it is going as is?
edited 2nd May '15 7:39:38 PM by LDragon2
x4
I still don't feel like that line was romantic. I don't feel like there was any build up to this and way too rushed. We go from flirting at the bar, to Steve telling Bruce to go after her just seconds later, to Hawkeye's wife saying 'Since when have they been a thing?' and then to kissing and pushing him off a cliff at the climax. It... didn't feel natural.
And the whole 'I'm pushing you off a cliff after kissing you' thing really didn't feel 'cute' or whatever it was intended to be.
I didn't mind the Bruce/Natasha thing. Definitely not cheering for it like I was Vision/Wanda they interacted briefly it counts shut up I'm not crazy YOU'RE CRAZY
but in terms of pairings they could do, I didn't mind it.
Probably because it was the very beginning of their relationship. They've only just decided to try to make it a thing when Hulk takes off for reasons but probably because Hulk quits in second issue
It adds emotional weight to that moment although Tony hearing about it and going 'noooo my science broooooooo' would have worked too., it added a new facet to Banner, and it really wasn't as much of a thing as you're bemoaning.
Also, circumstances and numbers are different but this is basically the setup to Cap's Kooky Quartet. A bunch of founding Avengers leave with Cap in charge of a bunch of new Avengers. So that's cool. Its an interesting roster too.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI definitely wouldn't have minded a the theatrical cut being a lot longer, so I'm looking forward to an extended cut.
I'm wondering how much use we're going to get out of that team in the first place. It's unlikely that the original team won't be back for Infinity War, so why not just make it one big team in-universe with rotating membership rather than a "new class" sort of feel? The only movie in between where the team would have the opportunity to show up by itself is Civil War, as Cap's group in the actual war, and unless Cap and Tony switch ideologies in the Cinematic Universe I don't see Rhodey going along with that, so the team will probably take a hit.
In any case, we won't have much opportunity to really see Cap's new team have a dynamic of their own until after Infinity War at the earliest.
edited 2nd May '15 8:19:53 PM by KnownUnknown
Actually, I think the Russos have said "Infinity War Part 1" and "Infinity War Part 2" will be completely separate movies. So maybe Part 1 will be about the New Avengers and Part 2 will be about the Old Avengers. Actually, that sounds pretty cool.
Also, we know Falcon, Hawkeye, and Scarlet Witch show up in Civil War, so their going to get some more development.
I've been really hoping Part One has the Masters of Evil (or something) with Thanos advancing and becoming more and more powerful all the while, until the very end where he shows up and wrecks everybody. And then part two is fully Avengers vs Thanos, stopping him from effectively wrecking the universe.
So, sort of like the end of Season 1 of Earth's Mightiest Heroes (replacing Loki for Thanos, of course).
Also, Vision is screwed. He is so screwed, man.
edited 2nd May '15 8:47:50 PM by KnownUnknown
![]()
[1]
◊
I suspect Part 2 might be where they introduce some of the Phase 3 characters into the team, but it could be Part 1 as well. I strongly suspect we will see Doctor Strange, Black Panther and Captain Marvel all involved in at least one of the films.
edited 2nd May '15 8:48:54 PM by comicwriter
I don't know. Jonathan Aibel and Glenn Berger
wrote the original screenplay and they previously wrote Kung Fu Panda and Monsters vs Aliens, which were both awesome. And then Jon Spaihts
was hired to rewrite the script and Prometheus wasn't that bad. I mean, the writing wasn't that bad. And the director Scott Derrickson
did The Day the Earth Stood Still remake which was beautifully shot, if completely unnecessary.
What I'm saying is: hey, Guardians of the Galaxy was directed by James "Scooby-Doo" Gunn. Give the movie a chance first.
I think that the idea that Marvel is somehow constraining the directors too much is an exaggeration. It's not like all the movies have the same tone or the same emphasis. The Ant-Man situation was a combination of bad timing and the universe developing further while the director was busy elsewhere. That happens.
I also don't think that you can blame Winter Soldier for Bruce and Natasha not really clicking for me, because my main issue with their relationship was what Whedon himself established about the two characters in The Avengers. When he left them off, the Hulk has nearly killed Black Widow on a rampage and there were some serious trust issues between the two characters. Based on that alone she is the last character who makes sense for forming a "special calming connection" with the Hulk. Tony would have made more sense because the Hulk actually rescued his life. Thor or Steve would have made more sense because they can actually survive a punch by him. It felt like the sole reason why Natasha was put in this role was because she was the only female around, and not because it made sense for her character.
