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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#31901: May 2nd 2015 at 1:31:26 PM

[up][up] One of my favorite Hawkeye moments in the movie, and there's plenty to choose from. He was really great in this one.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#31902: May 2nd 2015 at 1:32:27 PM

Quicksilver too OP yo. It may well have been a condition of the deal that Marvel worked out with Fox though. Seems plausible for a random guess

[up] Really made up for his almost non-presence in the first one

edited 2nd May '15 1:33:13 PM by Bocaj

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31904: May 2nd 2015 at 1:57:09 PM

[up]Well, perhaps because the movie barely manages to address the arcs which are still left.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31905: May 2nd 2015 at 2:44:40 PM

Now on YouTube, a really cool video by Kyle Kallgren on the meaning and symbology of The Avengers.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#31906: May 2nd 2015 at 3:19:40 PM

[up]x4 From what I understand of the Marvel/Fox deal, both studios can freely use both characters. It's just that Marvel can't ever describe them as mutants or the children of Magneto (which apparently they aren't in the comics anymore, but that wasn't the case when the deal was struck).

I would speculate that Marvel simply decided that they wanted to focus on the Scarlet Witch character because she is much more in line with the mystical direction the series is headed then her brother. In addition it means that they could have a female superhero with genuine superpowers in the Avengers well ahead of Captain Marvel's introduction in 2018 (while she might be introduced as a character earlier, I doubt she'll have her powers any sooner then part 1 of Infinity War).

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31907: May 2nd 2015 at 3:25:37 PM

[up]Furthermore, out of the two twins, Wanda was always the one who were more connected to the Avengers, while Pietro was somewhat closer to the X-people (I don't remember if he was even an X Men, but he have been around with the X-Factor). So the way Fox and Marvel split things ended up very fitting.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#31908: May 2nd 2015 at 3:29:38 PM

Plus, X-Men's Quicksilver was a really tough act to follow.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#31910: May 2nd 2015 at 3:35:08 PM

Oh yeah, Quicksilver quit the Avengers to make out with Crystal and have angry skype calls with Wanda about her dating Vision

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31911: May 2nd 2015 at 3:45:10 PM

[up]I really should read some Avenger stories around that time. It sounds really amusing. Got any recommendations?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31912: May 2nd 2015 at 3:48:10 PM

I think Quicksilver's particular skillset is also difficult to handle. They did well in this movie, but it is way too easy to end up with "he is as fast as the plot needs it".

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#31913: May 2nd 2015 at 3:49:29 PM

The Cap's kooky quartet stuff is fun. Uh, Vision's introductory arc. The arc where Quicksilver left is the one where a mutant sentinel tries to destroy humanity using the almighty power of Wanda's uterus.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#31914: May 2nd 2015 at 4:06:55 PM

@Very Melon and Turckescreator who actually posted the video : That video has a very apt analysis without running afoul of either "seeing things where there are none" or "stating the obvious", which is astoundingly rare these days. Great video.

Though I'd say Marvel's strength lies in precisely knowing how to explore those themes. The first Avengers, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron (and later, Civil War) all have varying degrees of exploration for the nature of heroism.

Also the video contains some personal irony for me because the video states Hulk's heroism is based on asceticism. Asceticism is my personal philosophy. Hulk is my least favorite Avenger. Kind of illogical, isn't?

edited 2nd May '15 4:11:15 PM by Gaon

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#31915: May 2nd 2015 at 4:09:28 PM

My brother and I just got back from seeing the movie. I liked it. The "artificial intelligence" debate was pretty well done, though the need for U Ltron to be the coordinator of the Iron Legion was questionable. Jarvis already did a good job controlling them, why can't he do the others?

I also really liked the battle at the beginning. HYDRA's still got more than its fair share of cool toys. I also enjoyed it whenever the Maximovs got smacked down (while they were evil, at least).

Ultron was a pretty good character too. A good amount of menace and intimidating stature but I believed he was being hypocritical when he called Vision naive. Dude, your literal first decision upon gaining sentience was go make humanity extinct. He also didn't really seem that intelligent, he seemed more like just a developmentally-challenged adult throwing a temper tantrum.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31916: May 2nd 2015 at 4:09:42 PM

I don't understand. I didn't post the video.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#31918: May 2nd 2015 at 4:11:00 PM

[up][up][up] That is very true to the comics though

edited 2nd May '15 4:11:07 PM by Bocaj

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31919: May 2nd 2015 at 4:13:41 PM

@Heath: Roy Thomas' entire 60+ issue run. Just about everything we know about the Avengers today — Vision, Black Widow, Black Panther, Black Knight, (starting to see a trend?) and Hercules joining up; Quinjets; Vision and Wanda's romance; Hank Pym's mental breakdowns; Ultron; and just an all around classic sense of epic adventure — that all really started when Roy came onboard, and many later writers followed his lead. (Like Kurt Freaking Busiek.) When it comes to the Avengers, Thomas is the franchises' real daddy, and even if the dialogue can come across as corny by todays' standards, (albeit in often unintentionally hilarious ways, so it has that going for it,) it's worth checking his stuff out. He even came back to the series a ways down the line in the early 90's, doing a good 40+ issues of Avengers West Coast; it's not as good as his original run, but it's still pretty good, and since his wife was handling the dialogue by that point, that's more natural than the first run too.

Also, the Steve Englehart runs from around the same times are also classics in their own rights. And Jim Shooter. And the early David Micheline stuff. And... basically, just about everything up until the 80's. There's some good stuff after that, (like Roger Stern and Busiek,) but the late 60's through the mid 70's is when Avengers really hit it's stride; on the recent 'Top 50 Avengers Stories', most of the stories came from that period. It's all collected in the Essential Avengers TB's too, so if you don't mind a lack of color, they're well worth the purchase.

edited 2nd May '15 4:14:03 PM by kkhohoho

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31920: May 2nd 2015 at 4:13:54 PM

@Bojac,

...Well, a woman's uterus is a powerful thing after all.

Anyway, thanks. Not sure if the silly descriptions is just you being you or comics being comics, but sounds fun nonetheless.

Edit:

[up]Thanks you too Evil Santa! (you guys all posted kinda fast)

edited 2nd May '15 4:52:29 PM by Heatth

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#31921: May 2nd 2015 at 4:17:21 PM

@ Wackd:

No, they don't want the guy who directed and wrote Fright Night. There's just another 18 year old actor who just happened to have the same name.

...Unless you already knew that and were just joking, in which case, sorry about that.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#31922: May 2nd 2015 at 4:18:22 PM

@Librarian: Jarvis isn't an actual Strong AI. He can't really be trusted to handle complicated situations and orders. Remember when he almost killed Pepper in Iron Man 3?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31923: May 2nd 2015 at 4:18:36 PM

[up][up][up] A little of column A, a little of column B.

edited 2nd May '15 4:27:41 PM by Bocaj

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#31924: May 2nd 2015 at 4:21:39 PM

So JARVIS is more of a VI?

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31925: May 2nd 2015 at 4:54:46 PM

[up]Pretty much, yeah. In ME terms, JARVIS and Friday are VI, while Ultron and Vision are true AI.


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