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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31851: May 2nd 2015 at 1:43:23 AM

I agree that I never really thought that Coulson had died for real. The combination of Fury confirming it over the com with his lie about the cards made me believe that it was all a ruse from the get go long before I knew the character would be in Ao S.

Killing off Dr. Cho was not really an option either because she first has to spawn Amadeus Cho, right? I would have expected Hawkeye to die if the actor hadn't been confirmed already for future projects. The moment he said to scarlet witch "you and your brother will be safe in here" I was all "Quicksilver is as good as dead" though. It didn't help that they showed Wanda breaking down in the trailer.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31852: May 2nd 2015 at 1:49:46 AM

I find it highly unlikely we will ever get to Hercules and Amadeus. Imagine 18 years from now Feige saying "Oh there was another race of highly advanced aliens who all happen to have the names of Greek gods who haven't shown up at all or even been mentioned despite the world almost ending a dozen times".

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31853: May 2nd 2015 at 1:57:19 AM

They could make Amadeus and Rick Jones characters in a Hulk movie.

Oh, wait. Never mind. Damn distribution agreements...

edited 2nd May '15 1:57:28 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31854: May 2nd 2015 at 2:02:16 AM

I doubt that the Greek gods will ever turn up, too (they are pretty lame either way), but that won't really prevent them from using Amadeus in another context, right? His thing is mostly to be hypersmart after all.

[up] Is there any word if the distribution agreement has some sort of expiration date?

edited 2nd May '15 2:03:05 AM by Swanpride

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#31855: May 2nd 2015 at 3:01:40 AM

[up]x4 Helen was easily old enough to of already had a child in Age of Ultron, so keeping her alive was almost certainly for the sake of her own character rather then her son's. Hawkeye's family shows that Marvel isn't opposed to revealing a character had an off-screen family the entire time.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31856: May 2nd 2015 at 3:17:40 AM

So, this naturally has to happen at some point.

Even better, on the off chance something like this does actually happen in the MCU, Thor should still go "not again" despite us never seeing it happen before (in the comics I think that was at least his third time).

edited 2nd May '15 3:19:03 AM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31857: May 2nd 2015 at 3:19:09 AM

[up][up][up]Most of Amadeus history is either connected to the Hulk or Hercules. He's the 7th smartest person in the world(number 6 doesn't like that and kills his parents Helen and Phil with a bomb meant for Amadeus). He and Hercules hanged out enough to make people think they were a couple.

edited 2nd May '15 3:19:20 AM by LordofLore

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#31858: May 2nd 2015 at 3:39:12 AM

I agree that there was nothing whatsoever to imply that his new body was made of Vibranium. And, well, the fact that it got damaged at all implies it wasn't. The impression I got is that he used half the vibranium on the android body that became The Vision, and the other half on his giant rocket engine to lift the city. Remember, vibranium isn't just strong, it's also... magic? I dunno, but he scoffed at humanity building a frisbee out of it, so using it just as armor seems like it'd be hypocritical. He's not really all that attached to any particular robot body anyway.

Another thing to remember is that Ultron considered himself a plurality. While for the conveniences of the plot and the fighting he clearly had a "main body" at all times, in theory each separate robot contained the entirety of his personality. His "vision" was that humanity would adopt his own perfectly harmonious mindset, ergo his "vision" was a perfect human he could upload himself into. That wouldn't have replaced the robots, since those are also him, but he would just gradually create more of himself.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31859: May 2nd 2015 at 3:49:06 AM

[up][up]They can do the Hulk part or just connect him with another hero than Hercules, just like they shifted Ultron's origin to Tony instead of Hank Pym.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31860: May 2nd 2015 at 4:18:01 AM

I loved Scarlet Witch in this movie. I think I have a crush.

[up][up] I'm pretty sure he was made out of Vibranium.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#31861: May 2nd 2015 at 4:22:31 AM

I'm gonna see Age of Ultron tomorrow! ...er, today.

...why am i still awake

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#31862: May 2nd 2015 at 4:38:02 AM

what time is it

is it that time again

wasn't it already then

and does it have to be

the time it was again

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31863: May 2nd 2015 at 5:09:01 AM

I wonder about those people who decided to do the marathon. I am falling asleep just thinking about the idea.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#31864: May 2nd 2015 at 5:14:59 AM

If you broke it down into two days, it works. Do Phase 1 the day before, sleep, marathon Phase 2, then go to the movie.

How it should've been done in theaters, frankly. Except maybe don't even bother with the Phase 1 marathon. Just do Phase 2, maybe tack Avengers: Age of Loki onto the front.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31865: May 2nd 2015 at 7:27:19 AM

I find it highly unlikely we will ever get to Hercules and Amadeus.

Highly disagree. Helen Cho is such an extremely minor character that one of the only reasons I could see to introduce her is if they eventually want to set it up to have her son show up.

In fact she's so minor that pretty much everything about her in that movie was stuff Whedon came up with. In the comics all we ever knew about her was that she was Amadeus' mother and then she got blown up. At that point she might as well have been a Canon Foreigner if not for the fact that she's related to a much more important Avenger in the comics.

edited 2nd May '15 7:34:18 AM by comicwriter

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31866: May 2nd 2015 at 7:33:44 AM

[up]Maybe Whedon just wanted a random scientist for the role and she was the character he found out that happened to fit the bill. That was why he introduced Klaue, for example. Knowing there will be a Black Panther movie, we might assume Whedon got the character to build up for that. But it turns out he didn't even know there was a Black Panther movie in the works back when he picked the character. He just wanted someone some Vibranium smuggler and figured out Klaue could play the role.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31867: May 2nd 2015 at 7:36:49 AM

So Helen Cho received the Walter Steele treatment.

edited 2nd May '15 7:37:23 AM by VeryMelon

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#31868: May 2nd 2015 at 7:50:06 AM

For all those who said they can't show Hercules: over on Agents of SHIELD, they currently have Agent 33, Kara Lynn Palamas, as a recurring character. She's the agent who actually found Hercules in the comics and in the last episode, recommended they skip out and go to "Mykonos" instead of SHIELD.

I mean, this doesn't really mean anything, since AoS also referenced Man-Thing and I'm not sure they would ever use him, but I think Hercules is a big enough hero that the movies would totally use him. It helps that he's basically "Thor only funnier and drunker."

I would love, love an Incredible Hercules movie.

[up][up] Laura Barton and the children also received that treatment. In the Ultimate comics, they all die at the hands of Black Widow.

edited 2nd May '15 7:51:48 AM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31869: May 2nd 2015 at 7:55:20 AM

I guess her being an Asian character and female to boot was an additional benefit. But now that she is there, there is actually no reason not to let her turn up again, perhaps even show her baby at one point, and then introduce Amadeus down the line. Especially since she somehow survived. Let's face it, Whedon might have picked her, but he wouldn't have been above killing her off. Her survival at least suggests that Marvel want to keep the option to introduce Amadeus at one point open, even if there are no concrete plans for it yet

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31870: May 2nd 2015 at 7:57:07 AM

[up]Yeah that is what I was thinking.

[up][up]Plus if they're going to start exploring crazier avenues with Doctor Strange, Greek Gods aren't that big a stumbling block.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31871: May 2nd 2015 at 7:58:55 AM

[up][up][up]When did Ao S reference Man-Thing?

Overall, Ao S has assembled quite the collection on minor characters between Mockingbird, Quake, Deathlock, Blizzard and the various SHIELD Agents.

edited 2nd May '15 7:59:08 AM by Swanpride

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31872: May 2nd 2015 at 8:18:37 AM

So if Amadeus Cho is the 7th smartest person in the world who are the first six? I can only think of five.

  1. Tony Stark
  2. Bruce Banner
  3. Reed Richards
  4. Hank Pym
  5. Victor Von Doom
  6. ???

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31873: May 2nd 2015 at 8:21:12 AM

[up]Pythagoras Dupree. The list is usually Reed, Hank, Banner, Doom, Tony, Pythagoras(I think T'Challa or Beast has his spot nowadays after he was outwitted) and then Amadeus.

edited 2nd May '15 8:30:06 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31874: May 2nd 2015 at 8:23:04 AM

[up][up][up]Right after the Winter Soldier tie-in, Maria Hill was on the phone with someone and mentioned that congress was asking her about a SHIELD project called "Man-Thing" since all their files were available to the public now.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#31875: May 2nd 2015 at 8:24:32 AM

When did AoS reference Man-Thing?

Episode 1x20, "Nothing Personal":

Maria Hill: [on the phone to Pepper Potts] Congress is like kindergarten: 'Where is this 'Fridge'? What was in there? Who or what is a 'Man-Thing'?" I swear, I need a cocktail and a lobotomy!

[up][up] I actually think the 6th is either Black Panther or Beast. It was shown that Amadeus is actually smarter than Dupree.

edited 2nd May '15 8:26:10 AM by alliterator


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