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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
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#31777: May 1st 2015 at 5:56:13 PM

[up]According to Feige there are TWO Infinity Gauntlets, and the one Thanos has is NOT the same one Odin had.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#31778: May 1st 2015 at 5:58:03 PM

Makes sense. A person does generally have two hands.

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#31779: May 1st 2015 at 6:01:10 PM

i was completely indifferent to hawkeye's presence in avengers. it's one of the main reasons i did not enjoy avengers, since his character did very little and was overall pretty dull. it felt he was only there to give natasha SOME sort of characterization, which didn't end up being particularly good anyway.

i'd actually go so far as to say avengers is the worst of the mcu movies as I was pretty bored for most of it. left an awful taste in my mouth and was one of the reasons i initially swore off seeing anything else from marvel.

edited 1st May '15 6:03:46 PM by wehrmacht

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#31780: May 1st 2015 at 6:01:30 PM

I dunno. It makes sense, but unless there's twelve Gems (and I highly doubt that's the case) you don't need two gauntlets. It's just superfluous.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#31782: May 1st 2015 at 6:08:13 PM

Look, assuming the Gauntlet actually does things in these movies and isn't just Thanos being practical (what, is he just gonna stick the Gems in his pocket?), why the hell would you just forge one? Then if something happens to it you're fucked.

edited 1st May '15 6:08:57 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#31783: May 1st 2015 at 6:08:39 PM

[up][up]Except for the part where each Gauntlet apparently has a spot for six Gems. That makes no sense unless there's either twelve, or it's just a lazy revision.

And we don't know what the Gauntlet does. For all we know, it's just a specialized focal tool for the Gems so that someone can use their full concentrated power without blowing up.

edited 1st May '15 6:09:39 PM by Khfan429

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31784: May 1st 2015 at 6:16:53 PM

No offense but we just spent the better part of a year with folks screaming that Loki's scepter couldn't POSSIBLY be the Mind Stone because Fury says it's powered by the Tesseract and Selvig says they're the same. And we know how that worked out. Clearly Marvel isn't above revising/retconning things.

[up][up]That too.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#31785: May 1st 2015 at 6:22:54 PM

[up]Neither of those really needs to be retconned. With our primitive Earth knowledge—I mean, these are both immensely powerful artifacts doing things we don't quite understand, but giving off similar energy readings, why wouldn't we believe one's powering the other?

Unless Selvig said that under the influence of the Mind Gem, which is supposed to give much smarts, but hey, maybe his mind just couldn't quite understand what the Mind Gem was telling him.

edited 1st May '15 6:23:58 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31786: May 1st 2015 at 6:24:23 PM

I don't think it's necessarily a retcon I'm just saying the main reason for people saying it WASN'T gonna be the Mind Stone was because "Someone said something in the movie that suggests it isn't" which is why I said it's best to take past revelations with a grain of salt.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#31787: May 1st 2015 at 6:24:32 PM

[up]x4

I could see a situation where the gauntlet, at least in the MCU, isn't a unique or irreplaceable object but basically a glove that happens to be made of some exotic material capable of channeling the immense powers of the infinity stones. The material in question would be rare enough that anything made of it at all would be worthy of a place in Odin's treasure room, but not so rare that only one gauntlet could ever be made.

edited 1st May '15 6:25:01 PM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31788: May 1st 2015 at 6:26:32 PM

[up]Space Vibranium!

Also I was really impressed with how they set up Civil War. They did a good job of showing the tension between Steve and Tony and their incompatible crime-fighting styles without Flanderizing either to Jerkass levels, I thought.

edited 1st May '15 6:27:17 PM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#31789: May 1st 2015 at 6:27:52 PM

My biggest issue is, what's the narrative reason for it? It can't be to help the Avengers level the playing field, unless the Gauntlet has some kind of special powers on its own, but that seems incredibly unnecessary considering what the stones do on their own. Because even if there's a second tool to channel the stones, so what? They'd still need the stones, in which case they have just about as good a chance of stealing the entire Gauntlet from Thanos.

Is it maybe so Thanos could get his hands on the Gantlet without Loki having handed it over to him? Because if so there's at least one significantly better way to have handled that.

I love Marvel, but this has me extremely wary. They're not above making missteps here and there.

edited 1st May '15 6:28:40 PM by Khfan429

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#31790: May 1st 2015 at 6:39:17 PM

[up]

I say that the narrative reason for end-credits scene was mostly about showing that Thanos was dropping any semblance of subtlety and is going after the Infinity Stones directly. It's not really tied to the narrative of Ao U specifically, but to the Marvel universe as a whole. Whether the gauntlet itself is unique is irrelevant.

edited 1st May '15 6:40:51 PM by Falrinn

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#31791: May 1st 2015 at 6:40:31 PM

Maybe we are looking things from the opposite side? Who's to say the gauntlet in Thor wasn't just some easter egg and not the real deal?

edited 1st May '15 6:45:05 PM by zsax

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31792: May 1st 2015 at 6:42:42 PM

Well Feige says there are two One could be a copy I guess.

[up][up]i'm actually still confused slightly because was that meant to imply Ultron was part of his plan?

edited 1st May '15 6:50:06 PM by comicwriter

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31793: May 1st 2015 at 6:44:07 PM

And the scene where he contemplates murdering Pietro and blaming it on Ultron had the entire theater fucking dying.

Yeah, but we all know it became a lot less funny later on. Hell, practically everything that happened with Pietro (the things he says to Hawkeye, being accidentally shot by a cop, and that particular part become less funny later on.

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zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#31794: May 1st 2015 at 6:55:50 PM

One thing I'm grateful is that they didn't make Pietro too overpowered. His punches didn't seem to be that devastating. Also, Joss' line about Quicksilver being as fast as a bullet takes a hole new meaning after seeing the movie, doesn't it?

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#31795: May 1st 2015 at 7:22:44 PM

About the Infinity Gauntlet. I believe in the comics the gauntlet doesn't actually do anything by itself. It merely holds the gems. If the movie works the same way, then presumably replicating it wouldn't be particularly hard. I doubt there is an special meaning for being two of them out there.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#31796: May 1st 2015 at 7:53:55 PM

By the way, I thought Scarlet Witch's costume at the end of the movie was pretty awesome.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#31797: May 1st 2015 at 7:55:37 PM

It's pretty good. Personally, I prefer the look she had for most of the movie, but whatever.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31798: May 1st 2015 at 8:21:25 PM

It's cool. Looks almost like a combo of her Ultimate and Uncanny looks.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31799: May 1st 2015 at 8:25:31 PM

I confess I'm one of the people who actually likes her classic tiara + leotard look because of the camp factor but both of her costumes looked pretty good. Pietro's I'm less thrilled about, but I understand it being from the perspective of not a real costume.

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#31800: May 1st 2015 at 8:31:19 PM

Just saw the movie, here are my thoughts:

- It's a GOOD movie overall. I'm still debating if I wanna say it's as good as The Avengers, better, or worse. There are some things it did better than the first, while in other places....

- This film has a bit more straightforward storyline, while the first film, as good as it was, had a very obvious 3-act-structure.

- It's certainly more action-packed than the first film (where it's best fight scenes were towards the end, while here, there's a few good battle scenes throughout)

- Ummm..... so..... no more Jarvis? Will this new incarnation get its own film?

- Poor Stan Lee. Can't hold his liquor.

- Where's everyone getting this " Black Widow is infertile" thing from? I never saw that mentioned?

- Everyone's Oh, Crap! expression (especially Thor's ), when someone else successfully lifts Thor's hammer.

- Narm line: "You know I don't mind you avenging." Seriously, Whedon? Was there something wrong with just using the word, "fighting"? That's George Lucas territory there, dude.

- Fan Disservice: Agent Hill picking broken glass out of her bare feet.

- Okay, Trailer Nitpick Time: The teaser trailer, gave the impression that Rhodes would be a more main character like the others. That is certainly not the case here.

- Cool to see Falcon and Agent Carter in brief cameos. But, i really wished Falcon could have joined in the action. Okay, it may have made the film more crowded, but he could have been helpful.

- It is nice that Hawkeye got some focus this time around, but some parts seemed forced, like his pep talk to Scarlet Witch. To me it just seemed like an obvious, "See? We're giving Hawkeye more screen time! Happy now!" It didn't really feel natural (Hell it could have been Captain America in his place, and it wouldn't have made a difference).

- Also, Hawkeye having a family and kids is a little strange, since the first film implied that he and Black Widow had a recent relationship. Ummmmmmm..... was Hawkeye cheating on his wife at some point?

- Funny moment: Tony and Hawkeye play darts. No points for guessing who wins.

- Edward Norton made a great point in regards to his not coming back to the role. There's no real reason to keep playing Banner if he's just going to remain a troubled person, constantly afraid of hurting people. Mark Ruffalo is a great actor, but the writer really need to do something about Banner, and fast. He needs to just accept that he has a "Hulk out" superpower, and stay accepting of it.

- Yeah the Natasha/Banner romance thing...... not really into it.... maybe it's because we saw no lead-up to it.... maybe it's because I ship Natasha with Rogers, but.... I dunno, there didn't seem a lot of purpose for it. And it didn't pay off in any way, since Banner takes off at the end.

- Speaking of my shipping of Natasha and Rogers, I like that their kiss from Winter Soldier got referenced.

- I did enjoy myself, I laughed at a lot of parts, in fact I think it has more funny moments than the first film did, as well as more fight scenes, so on some levels, it's more enjoyable than the first film, but I don't think the storyline is necessarily original (I, Robot, anyone?).

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