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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#31726: May 1st 2015 at 1:44:36 PM

He was also, y'know, at a party. With drinking. So it's entirely possible he was... I dunno, tipsy?

Be kind of like assuming Hawkeye is a close-minded skeptic for (while drunk) claiming that Mjolnir's worthiness detector is all just a trick. Blown insanely out of proportion without regard for context or circumstance.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31727: May 1st 2015 at 1:49:28 PM

Random wondering.

I wonder what would happen if the secret to produce or at least replicate Vibranium was figured out? That should make pretty big difference.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31728: May 1st 2015 at 1:49:37 PM

I have to agree with everyone who complains that Natasha was handled badly in the movie. It feels like the sole reason why she was stuck in a romance with Bruce was because she happened to be the only female in the team. If you consider how much older he is and at which point the last movie left off, with Natasha being very afraid of the Hulk because he nearly killed her, it is a leap which made zero sense. It also doesn't help that I think the chemistry between her and Barton, her and Steve and even her and Falcon (the latter being my personal ship) is way stronger than the one between her and Bruce. Most of the scenes between those two are very awkward and especially the "controversial" one needed at the very least another rewrite. I don't mind what they tried, but the wording was really, really unfortunate.

In the end I think her arc pulled the movie slightly down for me. Thankfully she is still badass as an Avenger.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31729: May 1st 2015 at 2:00:14 PM

[up][up][up]Or the joke was just not that funny and in bad taste regardless of context.

edited 1st May '15 2:00:31 PM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#31730: May 1st 2015 at 2:02:39 PM

Doesn't make it "character assassination", it makes it someone drunk saying something stupid.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31731: May 1st 2015 at 2:02:49 PM

Yeah, while I'm not personally offended it's just a tasteless joke and bad writing on the part of whoever came up with it, and whichever editor thought it was OK to put in the final version.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31732: May 1st 2015 at 2:04:51 PM

Eh, I think it's an overreaction anyway.

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#31733: May 1st 2015 at 2:06:26 PM

What joke is this?

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31734: May 1st 2015 at 2:09:10 PM

In a scene where the Avengers were getting drunk and having a fun time, Thor put Mjonir on the table, saying that no one can lift it.

Tony tries to lift it, and jokes that if he gets to rule Asgard, he will practice prima nocta, which refers to a noble's authority to rape his subjects on the night of their wedding.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31736: May 1st 2015 at 2:22:30 PM

By the way, in another topic, you know the power output of Arc Reactor?

Well, according to the official Gundam statistics, an Arc Reactor can power 2,000 Gundams (by Gundam I'm referring to the First Gundam, the most famous Gundam).

Jesus Christ, Tony, what have you done? [lol][lol][lol]

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31737: May 1st 2015 at 2:24:49 PM

Who are the Newtypes, Super Soldiers, Inhumans, or worse, mu-er, "Gifted"?

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31738: May 1st 2015 at 2:25:27 PM

Spiderman would make a great Newtype. evil grin

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#31739: May 1st 2015 at 2:29:19 PM

Alright, so I've actually seen the movie now, and it was really good.

Ultron is pretty much the best Marvel villain so far. Maybe they should just have Tony Stark make every villain in the future.

I'm going to agree with the majority that Natasha's entire arc was just garbage. Aside from the obvious stuff, she also gets damseled for no fucking reason at all. Ugh.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31740: May 1st 2015 at 2:32:31 PM

Ultron was definitely fun...

...but I really want to see a Marvel villain that actually feels threatening. Like, the trailer version of Ultron, which I now see as a completely different character altogether.

Ultron in the movie was...to be honest? I thought he was more of a comic relief character whose purpose was to be a punching-bag.

Great job, Quicksilver.

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#31741: May 1st 2015 at 2:32:41 PM

People got riled up over that joke? Pah. And while I agree that Black Widow's arc wasn't stellar, I don't think it really counts as her getting damselled.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#31742: May 1st 2015 at 2:33:16 PM

Having not seen it yet: Why is an assassin on the team anyway? Unless they use sniper rifles or any ranged weapons, their skill set is not really useful when up against entire armies or super powered individuals.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31743: May 1st 2015 at 2:34:57 PM

Yeah, I personally think Natasha is pretty much the most expendable member in the Avengers. I think if her role was merged with Hawkeye, there wouldn't have been that much difference anyway.

I mean, yeah, in Winter Soldier she had a very large and meaningful role, but I just don't think she's that needed in the Avengers series.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31744: May 1st 2015 at 2:38:28 PM

I'd call Nat's issues with her infertility a victory for feminism. I'd say it's very important that our media can acknowledge that society is so messed up that the thing which troubles a woman who can go toe to toe with gods and robots is not being fertile.

Of course that's the type of feminism Joss tends to favour in his writing. He writes about the issues women face.

I understand the criticism of Nat's Infertility; People want Nat to be a rolemodel, so having Nat dislike being infertile spoils that to a degree.

Personally I think it's really inkeeping with the MCU iteration of the character. Highly competent in a military situation, but uncomfortable in interpersonal situations. It was nice to see in this movie her character try to progress beyond that with a relationship and sharing personal anxieties.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31745: May 1st 2015 at 2:41:00 PM

You know, I never understood this role model thing.

I mean, unless you are making one of those Y-rated educational show, why should any character be a role model for anyone?

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#31746: May 1st 2015 at 2:41:37 PM

@Ninety: She gets Locked in a cage and her designated male love interest has to save her. That's damsel 101.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#31747: May 1st 2015 at 2:43:59 PM

Oh shit, this whole infertility thing is about to start a whole feminism debate.

Abort! Abort!

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31748: May 1st 2015 at 2:47:36 PM

@Mukora. Eh, as damselsing goes, this one really isn't that problematic. For one, Nat saves her self by making a radio in a cell with a box of scraps, and no time is spent dwelling on the male characters' angst at her imprisonment. It's not like the female narrative got robbed of anything here.

Also, people asking why Nat is on the team? She's consistently the lynch pin in why the Avengers succeed in both their movies. Without Nat they would never have discovered the location of Ultron's end game. more than any of the other members; Nat is competent.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#31749: May 1st 2015 at 2:48:03 PM

[up][up]Yup. I'll be back in a week when it blows over.

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#31750: May 1st 2015 at 2:48:21 PM

I get that, but she didn't get locked in a cage because she was too busy swooning over the hero's pecs and the villain grabbed her by the upper arm. She was consistently competent, she was captured as she was performing a critical part of the mission, and she had no reasonable way of getting out herself. She wasn't made out to be less competent or useful than her male teammates, and the situation she was in could've been applied just as easily to Hawkeye except his being useless was already a thing last movie. I understand that one might find it a shame that it had to happen to the one female team member, but I thought it wasn't disrespectful or disempowering to her, and had no issue with it.

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