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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I think the gist is enjoying fighting is okay, but relishing on bloodshed is a problem.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Sooooo evidently I went to the bathroom during a scene where Natasha tells Bruce she's infertile and that makes her a monster. Can someone give me a rundown of this scene and how anyone on any plain of existence thought that was an idea even remotely resembling anything that could be considered a "good idea"?
It's very simple: She doesn't. The scene is Banner and Natasha talking, Banner says he's a monster and Natasha comments she is also a monster (being a cold-blooded assassin and whatnot). Banner exasperatedly tells her he can't have children because of his Hulking, and Natasha counters with stating neither can she because she was made infertile via surgery back in her training school. The parts of "I'm a monster" and "I'm infertile" are different ones, if interconnected (her meaning being something like "I was made to be a cold-blooded monster in every aspect and that's what I am and will always be", the forced infertility being the ultimate proof of how fucked up her training was).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."When she said she was sterilized, did she mean can't feel sex, can't have kids, or both? In the theater I thought she meant the former because it's easier for Femme Fatale spies to not get attached to targets if there's no pleasure in them being with the target.
It's when he was joking about what he'd do if he got to rule Asgard by lifting Thor's hammer.
edited 1st May '15 1:29:36 PM by Tuckerscreator
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Yes, that.
Context if you do care to know it (very mild spoiler): When they're all trying to lift Thor's hammer, Tony jokes that if he manages to do so and thus becomes ruler of Asgard, he will be re-instituting prima nocta. He thinks he's being funny, but he really, really isn't.
edited 1st May '15 1:29:57 PM by Galadriel
It's a joke Tony makes in the Mjolnir-lifting scene, quipping he'll re-instate the Prima Nocta if he rules Asgard.
Tony's a pretty clever guy, so he may know Prima Nocta is completely ahistorical and there is zero evidence it was ever a thing in Europe.
On the other hand, he was stupid enough to quote Nevile Chamberlain, so I guess it depends on the time period.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Oh. Wow, that truly is horrible, bordering on character assassination. I guess the haters were kind of right in accusing Whedon of flanderizing characters. Tony has his problems with respecting women, but not once has he ever been presented in his own movies as the kind of person who would think it's funny to crack jokes about rape, even if he wouldn't actually follow up on it.
edited 1st May '15 1:37:30 PM by AlleyOop
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Alright I think that's blowing it out of proportion. It's an off-hand stupid remark from Stark. He's made those before and very often. It shows more that Stark has a dark sense of humour rather than he's a unrepentant rapist.
edited 1st May '15 1:33:29 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Weird that that one was chosen, though, since the teaser clip in the trailer had him saying other lines like "I will be fair but firmly cruel, and maybe even work out the wench clause." Probably, like mewling quim, it flew right past the censors due to being old.
edited 1st May '15 1:36:49 PM by Tuckerscreator
At worst, he would be like Tyrion Lannister in terms of sex life.
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Speaking of "mewling quim", bizarrely I see Whedon haters and some of the more vocal social justice bloggers bring up that line a lot as proof that Whedon secretly hates women, even though it's painfully obvious that's not something Whedon himself believes. If anything, the fact that it's spoken by Loki means that Whedon's trying to advocate the opposite point here by painting Loki as a Politically Incorrect Villain.
edited 1st May '15 1:45:20 PM by AlleyOop

I just think that Cap needs a purpose in life.
......You know what I think should happen?
When Cap retires from the Avengers, he should take up painting. He was an art student, no?
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