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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Eh, it has some flaws (I'll accept that Bruce/Natasha was handled very badly) and I don't really think that's "the usual tumblr thing" but that is mostly accentuating the negative and most of their complaints seem to come from a total pessimism regarding the quality of future movies going away from Ao U.
One negative I will accept: Did they really need to kill off somebody? There are other plot devices.
edited 1st May '15 12:49:08 PM by TenebrousGaze
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Or at last to use bloody capitalization. I can't bring myself to read a long post that can't use proper capitalization. It is just too tiring to do so.
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I doubt. He was just by Stark in the end of the movie trying to rationalize why Vision could do it. I don't think he would be so invested in the topic if he could lift it.
edited 1st May '15 12:51:43 PM by Heatth
From what I remember, only folks with purest heart/worthy can pick it up and I thought Cap was quintessential nice guy of Marvel.
For some reason, I'm rather miffed at how Cap can't lift it while JARV-I mean Vision can. :/
edited 1st May '15 12:53:29 PM by dRoy
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.That post was talking about spoilers, and while I pretty much gave in already (I don't think there were that many big twists there, unless I missed something), I didn't want to go through with it.
If their concern is about Joss Whedon, though, he seems pretty much done with Marvel now.
SPOILER, gosh!
Maybe Cap isn't quite as pure-hearted as we think he is...
edited 1st May '15 12:52:46 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Not exactly, but it usually deals with Heroic Sacrifice of some sort. Often the hammer can only be lifted by someone who sacrifices himself for the greater good, very often during said sacrifice (which is even displayed in the first Thor movie, where he only gets the Mjolnir after he sacrifices himself for humanity).
If I had to guess, Cap has the potential to lift it (already having sacrificed himself several times and all), but couldn't lift it during the party because the situation wasn't worthy. They're just playing around and/or trying to prove themselves to be morally superior to Thor, which isn't very "worthy". In the middle of a battle where lives are at stake, the situation would be "worthy" enough for Cap to lift it.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Cap was suggested in this movie to be a bit of a Blood Knight, not actually sure what to do with himself out of a war. Vision was a little more detached from somewhat prejudicing things like patriotism or even pride in one's species. He wasn't fighting because he liked humans, he fought because he likes life in general.
It was also in The Winter Soldier. Steve says he doesn't know what makes him happy, but the parts when he's happiest are when he's in combat, joking about being too busy to date and leaping out of airplanes. Even Nat said he sounded surprisingly chipper about HYDRA being back from the dead, because now he knows whose faces to punch again.
edited 1st May '15 12:58:17 PM by Tuckerscreator
Yeah, I think that's the dark side of Cap. He doesn't like shades of gray. He likes things to be simple, black and white.
"How do we tell the good guys from the bad?"
"If they're shooting at you, they're bad."
I would laugh so hard if Darcy just picks up the hammer without comment in Thor 3 and Thor is like, "Dammit, not again."
edited 1st May '15 1:03:05 PM by PurpleDalek
Thor being able to lift it in the first movie was based on his character development from an arrogant, brutish Manchild who loves murdering people to someone who understands the value of life and is willing to give up his own own to protect the innocent.
It's hinted a few times in this one that Cap might have a bit of a darker side than we're told, with his nightmare scenario being a post-war world where he isn't needed and Ultron accusing him of relishing combat because he wouldn't know what to do in a world at peace.
The point about Cap's Blood Knight tendencies may be the key to this. Thor's character arc in the first film is precisely that he starts as a bloodthirsty warmonger and starts valuing life. He is unable to lift the hammer while being bloodthirsty, but he does get the hammer when he forgoes the path of the Blood Knight and tries a peaceful resolution.
So, battle-loving tendencies may also factor in the Mjolnir's worthiness.
"All you Fascists bound to lose.""If they're shooting at you, they're bad."
Well, to be fair, that was probably an accurate tactical analysis of the scenario. Still, good point.
Oh God! Natural light!I don't think that Cap loves fighting or war, so much as being troubled by the idea that he'd be purposeless in a world without it. And preferring enemies he can take on in a straight fight to those he can't.
He's less of a Blood Knight that Thor, who still definitely does enjoy fighting (as in the scene at the start of the Dark World where he's in one of the other realms).
edited 1st May '15 1:14:23 PM by Galadriel

There's a case of accentuate the negative but in their defense they aren't alone. There's quite a few negative or mediocre reviews for the movie rn.
As for killing Quicksilver I think it came down to him being the only viable option of the characters available. Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Falcon were already confirmed to survive via Civil War and the same is true for Thor via Ragnarok. We debated it to death on here but there's reasons why they weren't gonna kill Fury or Rhodey and chances are given the flack they took for the lack of women in Phase 1, they weren't gonna kill Wanda either. And then there's Vision who needed to survive to help set up Infinity War. So that basically just left Hulk and Pietro.
edited 1st May '15 12:47:14 PM by comicwriter