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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Me neither...it's just something I noticed. Worked in this case, though.
Then again, hordes of Ultronoids (whatever those are called, I don't care), hordes of Chitauri, functionally no difference in action scenes anyway, so...yeah.
Hmm, I wonder if the Ultron's army will have its own version of Leviathans, or whatever is that thing Hulk smashed down in one punch after the "I'm always angry" line.
I really did like that combination attack done by Thor and Hulk where Hulk ripped out and impaled Leviathan with a big chunk of metal, which Thor hammered down with Mjonir. It was awesome...like many things in that battle, really.
edited 30th Apr '15 11:42:25 AM by dRoy
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.So, I'll be watching Age Of Ultron in about an hour.
I'll be back with my take on it later.
Also, where's the thread for the movie?
One Strip! One Strip!I'm still in school, unfortunately, so I don't think I'll be able to avoid spoilers for much longer.
Although I think I've figured out a bit just from reading the trope page.
The temptation was too great...
Oh God! Natural light!Just got back.......
WHERE ARE MY SOCKS!!!! SOMEBODY HELP ME!!! THEY'VE BEEN ROCKED CLEAN OFF!!!!!!!
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Funny thing. Great movie, but I thought the first one was better. I think because, now that the initial awesomeness of the idea of the Avengers on the big screen, and done right is over, this one had to sail on its own merits.
It sailed damned well, but I still think the original was a little better.
I'll also go into more detail tomorrow because I'm fucking exhausted, but that's all I got to say for now.
One Strip! One Strip!
Yeah, that surprised me too.
Even as I was leaving the theatre, I kept looking over my shoulder wondering if they were screwing with me.
That being said, while there was no post credits stinger, the mid credits stinger got a chuckle from me.
For those of you still in the dark, lets just say we all asked for it, and now we going to get it.
edited 30th Apr '15 9:11:16 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!I absolutely adored the first Avengers movie, but this one may edge it out. I loved how everyone got more characterization (especially Barton), the somewhat Darker and Edgier tone, the humor, and how none of the scenes felt like a waste, and how they all contributed to the movie, or future movies.
Is nobody else gonna discuss The Stinger? Fine, I'll do it myself! Is it just me, or does it look like the socket on the back of the Gauntlet already has a orange stone in it? And was the scene set in Odin'a vault?
Yeah, that was great.
Well, he's finally doing something. Are y'all happy now?
One Strip! One Strip!Just came back from watching Age of Ultron. First impressions:
I liked the characterization of Ultron. After so many AI characters with Blunt Metaphors Trauma and an artificially precise manner of speaking and lack of emotions, it was an interesting change to have an AI (later two A.I.s) that is very clearly an emotional being with a full understanding of the English language. And a liking for popular culture - really, the best thing about Ultron is that he genuinely comes across as a more homicidal Tony. Even his voice and intonations sound like Tony sometimes. You can really tell who created him.
The rationale behind Ultron's actions kind of reminded me of an episode of the X-Files where Mulder gets three wishes from a genie: he wishes for world peace and the genie removes all the people. Because Humans Are Flawed, so absolute peace - in the sense of zero conflict - is incompatible with free will. Lesson: if you're going to build an AI, give it a clear definition of "peace" that doesn't have a logical pathway leading to extermination of humanity or the removal of free will. Or use a different word.
Didn't really care about Vision before the movie, but based on it, I like him. He's like Data with more firepower (and a better understanding of English, metaphors, figurative language, etc). Amused that we were all predicting someone other than Thor would wield the hammer, but most guesses were Widow, Cap, or Hawkeye, and it turned out to be Vision. I would have liked if it were Cap, but this made sense as a reason for Thor to be willing to leave the Mind stone behind, and also made sense because Vision is a pretty wonderful person.
Speaking of characters I didn't plan on liking, Wanda. Given the different history and different powerset, I'm just going with this being a completely, utterly different character than the Marvel Comics one. Made perfect sense that she would change sides once she saw what was in Ultron's mind (really, Ultron, when you team up with a telepath, you should take things like that into account).
Not a huge fan of how they treated Black Widow, with the vast majority of her role in the story revolving around a romance subplot, and then her getting captured by Ultron. Yes, she had some good moments, but she deserved better.
Didn't like: Tony's use of "peace in our time". Everyone knows that was Chamberlain's quote. Everyone knows that when somebody uses it, that's an immediate and blatant signal to the audience that said person is wrong. That's why people don't use that precise phrase to in real life to describe their objectives. Tony is smarter than that: while it may give an accurate sense of his objective, he would not use that phrase.
I usually like Whedon's style, but the dialogue was also just too quippy and casual. A city is being destroyed, people's lives are in serious danger because of you, it just doesn't feel right for everyone to be tossing off one-liners left and right. In Buffy, lots of quipping in dire situations worked, because it fit and came across clearly as kids trying to cover up and/or deal with their fear. In AOU, it just made it feel like the Avengers were treating a life-and-death fight as some kind of game.
I get the sense that, after Marvel's first objective of "make tons of money" their second objective was "stick it to DC as hard as we can". The overwhelming focus on the heroes rescuing civilians made sense within the movie, both because, well, they're heroes, and because of the plotline of them needing to answer the question of whether they did more harm than good. But its contrast with all the kerfuffle about Superman's apparent relative lack of action to prevent civilian casualties in Man Of Steel made it feel like that focus was also in place to make DC look worse by comparison.
Also, Marvel was totally lying when they claimed there were 4 major female characters in the movie. There were two major female characters - Widow and Scarlet Witch - and peripheral appearances from Hill and the Korean doctor. Movie was full as it was, couldn't really have added more.
On the whole it was enjoyable, but not as good as Avengers or Winter Soldiers; probably third-best of Marvel films after those two. Can't put my finger on it, just felt like the movie was trying to hard...too many moments, and especially too many quippy lines that felt like they were written on the basis of "the fans will love this" rather than on the basis of strong story and characterization. In addition, between this and Avengers, Marvel needs to find a way to write endings to its big movies that don't involve the heroes tearing their way through hordes of week mooks; it's anticlimactic and gets a little tiring, and in two Avengers movies in a row it feels repetetive and uncreative. Ultron not as good a villain as Loki, but better than all Marvel's other cinematic ones except SHYDRA. I'd give Age of Ultron a 3.5 out of 5, maybe a 4.
Agents Of Shield spoiler: So I guess we can concluded that Project Theta was the helicarrier, and Coulson needed all the bunkbeds and other supplies because the helicarrier was designed for - among other things - evac. Was expecting that plot to be something that panned out in the show rather than the movie, given how much time was spent on it.
Waited until the end of the credits in case Joss was lying about there not being a stinger. He wasn't. There's genuinely no stinger. Well, if Joss didn't have anything to add, no need to try to invent something that didn't fit. Still kind of disappointing. I've gotten accustomed to my Marvel stingers. Not spoiler tagging this, because it doesn't seem like it spoils anything, just prevents disappointment if people are waiting for it.
edited 30th Apr '15 11:03:35 PM by Galadriel
I see. What number would you give it? (Sorry if you gave a number in the spoilers - I'm trying to avoid them at the moment)
x5: On the Agents of SHEILD connection to Ao U: I figured Theta Protocol was setting up the new Avengers headquarters they're at at the end of the film.
edited 30th Apr '15 11:12:15 PM by stingerbrg
It made the most sense for the story. He's the Avenger Bruce is closest to so it makes sense he'd be the one to trust for something like that.
edited 30th Apr '15 11:40:48 PM by comicwriter
I'm not a fan of how the Hulk is generally unstoppable in any fight, being at most momentarily inconvenienced before getting angrier and winning anyway through brute force. Him losing a fair one-on-one was something I'd been wanting for a while.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.Is this about the Hulkbuster? Because that does make sense.
At least, for Bruce to trust Tony with it. No idea how that battle goes, but I think there's probably a limit to what the Hulk can do, at least here.
edited 30th Apr '15 11:42:55 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!
