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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31551: Apr 27th 2015 at 2:31:26 PM

I imagine that's sort of the point. There CAN be a happy middle ground between "The government controls everyone and everything" and "Let's allow a group of buck wild mavericks to operate without any sort of consequence or oversight."

In fact I think part of the point of Fury and the new SHIELD-like Avengers at the end was to sort of address that the previous team ran into serious problems when it was just a bunch of people living in Stark Tower playing by their own rules.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31552: Apr 27th 2015 at 4:01:07 PM

I imagine you're accountable to the government who's jurisdiction you find yourself operating in. The accountability would take the shape of transparency and reviews of conduct. The downside of that is that there's suddenly a lot of countries you're not allowed to operate in and both the Avengers and the governments have to trust information with each other.

Damn, I'm getting nostalgic for Thunderbirds. Rich guy decided to spend lubricious amounts of money on an island and a network of super craft and disallow his children from ever having a public identity, just so that he can provide a rescue service to people in third world countries without having to bother about jurisdiction. Because saving lives is more important than any silly old Cold War that was going on.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#31553: Apr 27th 2015 at 4:33:03 PM

Um, is anyone aware of the fact that there's a rumor buzzing that Spider-Man's standalone movie might be called Spider-Man: The New Avenger?

Mind you, this apparently came from Latino Review, so we should all take it with a nice big fistful of salt.

Regardless, I hope it's bogus because, IMO, it's a bit...eh.

I'd much prefer something like The Spectacular Spider-Man.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31554: Apr 27th 2015 at 4:44:34 PM

Not just the Latino Review. The rumor spinner who apparently got kicked OUT of the Latino Review lmao.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#31555: Apr 27th 2015 at 4:46:46 PM

[up][up] Yep. [up] evil grin I think it came from a guy who's no longer part of Latino Review (via Screen Rant) but still...

Don't know how I'd feel about that if it was confirmed. I do like their point though- http://screenrant.com/spider-man-new-avenger-marvel-movie/

edited 27th Apr '15 4:47:24 PM by yellowturtle

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31556: Apr 27th 2015 at 5:04:10 PM

[up][up][up][up]

Well, I just learned a new word today with "lubricious" cool

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31557: Apr 27th 2015 at 5:31:45 PM

I need a better spell checker.

I only try to use the word ludicrous because I can never consistently spell ridiculous.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#31558: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:59:10 PM

so many spoilers I can't read yet D: ......I need to see this movie already. sad

also, the movie's up to 78% fresh on Rotten tomatoes right now? The hell??

edited 27th Apr '15 7:59:35 PM by higherbrainpattern

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31559: Apr 27th 2015 at 11:54:07 PM

While I take the rumour with a grain of salt, putting "avengers" somewhere into the title might be a good marketing move. It would be a good way to make clear to the not so informed audience that this Spider-man is somehow connected to the MCU. Though "new Avenger"? How about "youngest Avenger"?

Concerning the rating of Ao U on RT: I don't think that it is representative with movies which are so popular. The hype as well as the hype-backlash screws with the rating.

edited 27th Apr '15 11:56:07 PM by Swanpride

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31560: Apr 28th 2015 at 12:04:23 AM

There was a time when Iron Man 3 had a 90% on RT for the first week or so of its release. Things can change at any time.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31562: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:01:23 AM

One thing for sure, the box office numbers are crazy...but the question is if they can keep this up.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31563: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:03:41 AM

We'll have to see if it can beat F&F7 as the summer movie of the year which just became the 5th highest movie of all time with a pretty safe shot at becoming 4th and maybe overtaking Avengers 1 and becoming 3rd.

edited 28th Apr '15 4:09:33 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31564: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:25:32 AM

[up]I doubt it. Fast and Furious picked the right time to hit the screen, but the Avengers will end the winning streak for sure.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31565: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:42:28 AM

[up][up] I didn't know it was doing that well. That's impressive, especially considering how early in the year it's been released and the poor exchange rate at the moment means that oversea tickets count for less than they normally do.

Despite not watching much of the series I may have to give it a try.

edited 28th Apr '15 4:43:12 AM by Whowho

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#31566: Apr 28th 2015 at 5:34:36 AM

How much of F&F7's numbers are due to Paul Walker dying?

edited 28th Apr '15 6:00:45 AM by GethKnight

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31567: Apr 28th 2015 at 5:57:52 AM

[up][up]I actually don't think that it is that impressive, exactly because it is so early in the year. There is next to no competition (Dreamwork's "Home" does very well for similar reasons). And then you add the "death actor" bonus to it, and there you have it.

Avengers broke btw the record the first movie set in the UK market.

edited 28th Apr '15 5:59:43 AM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31568: Apr 28th 2015 at 6:03:07 AM

Did it break the record Skyfall had in the UK for opening?

I can't believe a dead actor adds that many more visits. Ledger's death didn't cause The Dark Knight to break that many records.

edited 28th Apr '15 7:14:59 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31569: Apr 28th 2015 at 7:03:09 AM

[up]It scored the biggest Superhero debut ever with $27.3 million. Since Skyfall is not a Superhero movie I don't know if it was better or not. It was also second all-time in Brazil and third all-time in Australia. According to Disney, it was up 44 percent on the first Avengers movie, and up 24 percent on Iron Man 3 in local currency. In dollars it made $201.2 million already. And it hasn't even started in China yet, which is easily the biggest overseas market.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31570: Apr 28th 2015 at 7:04:51 AM

Fast and Furious also has the benefit of a cast that ticks a lot of boxes, which a lot of analysts also said helped the movie immensely with overseas audiences.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31571: Apr 28th 2015 at 7:20:28 AM

I'm glad that Furious 7 has proven to beancounters that April is a great month for tentpole flicks, and that a diverse cast attracts a diverse audience.

I remember finding The Fast and the Furious and 2 Fast 2 Furious to be terribly dull affairs, but Fast 5 was unashamedly enjoyable. I had planned to watch the sixth film simply on the ground of Michelle Rodriguez being in it. Perhaps I'll acquire the sixth film and then catch the seventh before it leaves theatres.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31572: Apr 28th 2015 at 3:49:05 PM

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/28/avengers-age-ultron-chris-evans-wonders-…-captain-america-virgin?

That’s why it’s kind of exciting to look forward to Cap 3. I think we really scratched the surface on something great and I think there’s just so much to explore. Not just with the evolution of myself and [Anthony] Mackie’s character, but the reconnection with Bucky, and ultimately a relationship with a woman.

Title is kinda clickbaity, and there's mention of Ao U without spoilers. It sounds like Civil War will have the Sharon Carter romance, or something like it. I'm slightly disappointed because I think the lack of any romance at all was one of The Winter Soldier's strengths (also because Steve/Peggy -> Steve/her niece is a little weird for me, as would be Steve/Howard -> Steve/his son if that was the case), and the movie's already full enough, but if Chris Evans will be in more films and it's just the start of the relationship then hopefully they can avoid getting Strangled by the Red String.

edited 28th Apr '15 4:02:49 PM by AlleyOop

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31573: Apr 28th 2015 at 3:55:54 PM

Anyone else found it odd how that was worded? Odd in an amusing way. "Bromance with Falcon, bromance with Bucky, bromance with Tony... also, a woman."

edited 28th Apr '15 3:57:11 PM by Tuckerscreator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31574: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:00:28 PM

Eh, I see it more as "Cap strengthens his bond with these two people he's already close to, oh and then he gains a new one with a fellow woman which leads to romance". Though I guess it's kind of weird how sparsely he talks about the romance.

[on the ending of TWS] That’s the tricky part about these movies. You have to kind of suspend those plotlines temporarily and find reasons to say ‘Okay, we’ll get to that in just one movie. We’ll get right back to that.’ It’s hard to kind of say with too much logic why he’s kind of putting that on the back burner. But he’s addressing the matter at hand, and right now that’s Ultron.

...

Well that’s just it. You need to give a little bit of a nod to it because if you ignore it, it’s insulting the audience’s intelligence. But at the same time, the audience almost has to respect movies: ‘Look, do you guys want this? If you want The Avengers, we have to accept the fact that there’s going to be splinters in our plotlines.’

That's surprisingly frank of him.

edited 28th Apr '15 4:20:13 PM by AlleyOop

XanderCrews Since: Oct, 2010

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