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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31501: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:33:01 AM

[up]Good luck just walking in and stabbing Wanda, though. And War Machine is as tough as Ironman, so it shouldn't be a problem.

My main concern with the new team is we might not see them in action until the big Crisis Crossover of the Infinity Stones. I fear they won't be well established enough to feel like a "true" Avengers team, instead of a second rate one. Then again, Infinity Wars will be divided in two, so maybe the first movie will focus on establishing the new team.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31502: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:33:09 AM

[up][up] Wanda in theory can't be ambushed though. Being a mind reader.

[up] Well All of the actors in the team are confirmed for Civil War (i think we're still waiting on only Don?) so I think we'll get to see them to be THE Avengers team in that for a bit before Infinity War.

edited 27th Apr '15 7:34:39 AM by Whowho

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31503: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:37:03 AM

[up]I am not sure her mind reading works that way, though. I felt it is a more active power than most comic telepathy. She doesn't seem to passively sense minds around her, but need to focus on the people she wants to read. Her range seems to be limited too, she is always close to the people she is interacting with.

Good point about Civil War. And they are Captain America is the leader, so it fits. Still, this will be a Captain America movie, not an Avengers one, so the focus won't be on them. What more, since this is a Civil War movie, chances are they will divide themselves.

edited 27th Apr '15 7:39:09 AM by Heatth

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31504: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:40:30 AM

I'm not sure where we're getting the idea War Machine can be easily taken out when from what we've seen of him in the films, he's handled himself pretty well. And it's not like Iron Man is constantly getting taken out sans the Running Gag in IM 3.

For Civil War the only ones we're still waiting on are Cheadle and Bettany. And then there's the rumors about Ant-Man so I guess Paul Rudd too?

edited 27th Apr '15 7:41:12 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31505: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:40:42 AM

I wouldn't worry too much. I guess The new team is just the start. There is still Ant-man coming up, as well as Spider-man and Black Panther. And to be honest, I would be very disappointed if the original Avengers are not all at the very least in Infinity War Part 2 somehow.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31507: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:43:19 AM

She would be down and out if Quicksilver hadn't saved her after Clint surprised her. She's just human and reacts to a bullet in the leg or a knife in her throat the same way a normal human would. She's a glass cannon.

War Machine can tank stuff but as shown in the movie he can be overwhelmed and he can't tank big hits for long. He's someone who's great as support and vs normal humans but needs someone like Falcon to make sure things don't go bad quickly if up against foes that are above his paygrade. He's the tank of the team but he isn't as good a tank as Thor, Hulk or Tony in Hulkbuster. He will probably work great in CW since he will probably be up vs Hydra and other humans.

We're going to see them in Civil War before IW 1 at least.

edited 27th Apr '15 7:47:15 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31508: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:46:03 AM

I think the main advantage Falcon has over Iron Man and War machine is that he is more agile than them. Less armour, more movement and less dependant on the technical aspect. And most likely able to fly under the radar if he needs to.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31509: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:50:48 AM

[up][up][up]Personally, I hope the retired avengers don't all become big part of Infinity Wars (specially the first one). One of the big thigns about the Avengers in the comics is how malleable the team is. By their second year their holster contained none of the 5 founders. This trend continue to this day, with members coming and going. Sure, at last one of the Big Threenote  is always present. There is no single "ideal team" of Avengers in the comics. If the film keeping coming back to the original member, there is the risk the viewers will always associate the team with these specific members, which will be a shame.

That is why I loved the ending. I wasn't expecting such a major shake down on the "status quo". I really hope the new team (plus Ant-Man, Captain Marvel, etc) establish themselves without being in the shadows of the original team.

[up][up]I had forgotten about him. I am curious to how he will look like.

edited 27th Apr '15 7:52:00 AM by Heatth

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31510: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:51:30 AM

This conversation must look super weird to people not highlighting spoilers.

I love how we still have no idea how Civil War is going to work.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31511: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:54:24 AM

[up][up]Yeah. I'm really psyched to see how they do going forward in Civil War. The ending has me really pumped.

edited 27th Apr '15 7:55:10 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31513: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:57:33 AM

I am a little bit worried that Civil War might result in side-lining the Winter Soldier Storyline.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31514: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:58:05 AM

[up][up]I posted it a few days back.

It sounds like the crux of Civil War could involve Bucky somehow.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31515: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:02:50 AM

[up] That's feasible. I mean, you find this highly dangerous individual who has been programmed to involuntarily kill people. The government is going to reasonably want him to be handed over for safe detention.

And it's obvious what Cap's opinion of that will be.

In fact, given the events of Age of Ultron, it seems reasonable that any kind of super hero regulation would bode poorly for Wanda, who mind controlled a rage monster into killing who knows how many civilians in Wakanda, and we know Black Panther has a role in the film

Really, the biggest question for me is how Zemo fits into this.

edited 27th Apr '15 8:03:19 AM by Whowho

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31516: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:06:24 AM

[up][up]I couldn't remember if you posted about the alternate ending so I did it to be safe.

So, what do we think the sides for CW will be aside from Hydra, Crossbones and Zemo as a third side? Do you think the New Avengers will split up?

edited 27th Apr '15 8:06:45 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31517: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:12:52 AM

If they don't it kind of makes things ridiculously one-sided in Cap's favor. Of course Stark could try his Iron Legion again.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31519: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:21:26 AM

Civil war being everyone vs Tony and his Iron Legion is the most boring option.

The only figure I'm banking on being on Tony's side is Black Panther.

It's difficult to say what kind of way other characters will pick teams, because we still don't know the nature of the regulation. If it's accountability I guess Wanda will certainly side with Cap, because the alternative is her being held accountable for her actions in the first two acts of Age of Ultron

I guess Rhodey, who's not yet been confirmed, is likely to side with Tony, on the grounds that he all ready today lives with military accountability.

I'm actually surprised Rhodey can join The New Avengers, given that he is active military personnel

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31520: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:25:39 AM

There was a report that claimed it's Cap, Black Widow, Falcon, and Hawkeye vs. Iron Man, War Machine, Vision, and Ant-Man/Giant-Man with Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, and Bucky in the middle.

I guess whether or not that's true should become clear relatively soon since they're already filming.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31521: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:32:27 AM

Rumors indicate Tony/Rhodey/Vision/Antman (probably Pym) vs. Steve/Natasha/Clint/Wanda and Black Panther is a neutral figure.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31522: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:34:56 AM

[up][up]I could understand Wanda and Bucky being in the middle, as on the one hand, accountability means the government is accountable for their safety, but on the other, they're accountable for their past actions.

But why on earth would Black Panther, a government official be in the middle? Unless, I guess, he is indecisive about whether to put pressure in favour or against regulation.

Kind of makes sense I guess.

I can't really comment on what side it makes sense for Vision to join; unless someone gets him involved I'm not sure what stake he'd have in the conflict.

And of course I know nothing of the MCU's Ant-Man.

edited 27th Apr '15 8:36:07 AM by Whowho

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31523: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:37:01 AM

[up]Which should Black Panther get involved at all? It's not his government after all.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#31524: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:38:48 AM

Er, what about Spider Man? We still don't have a clue about what they're gonna do with him, do we?

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31525: Apr 27th 2015 at 8:38:55 AM

[up][up]The synopsis we have at the moment is that it's global legislation.

[up]We don't even have confirmation that Spider-man is IN Civil War.

edited 27th Apr '15 8:39:25 AM by Whowho


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