Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules
still apply.
- This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
- While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread
. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
- Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.
If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Might be that, yeah. She was relevant to the plot, but she appeared and was focused enough times I thought I should care about her. But then she just vanish and that was it. It felt a bit weird. Maybe to say she was "forced in" is wrong, I just felt her role in the movie was a bit awkward. It was the only character I felt that way.
I agree. I enjoyed the movie just fine as it was, although I would probably like it better if it was longer. I most definitively didn't feel it was too long.
edited 26th Apr '15 5:16:11 PM by Heatth
So I saw someone note this before but I hadn't really realized it. Vision is basically a Composite Character with Adam Warlock.
A while back while Agent Carter was being filmed, Hayley Atwell was abruptly called to get her DMV picture taken
and ended up getting photographed in full Peggy Carter attire.
She tweeted the photo today.
Enjoyed it, although I struggled to feel completely satisfied, as I have with a lot of MCU films.
What exactly was Wanda's powers supposed to be? Mental hallucinations, obviously, but she could also fire sparks that......did stuff. In the teaser in Captain America 2, she seemed to have telekinesis?
Dumbo
I believe she was explicitly said to have telekinesis. With these words even. But overall her powers were rather vague. Even Hill's summary of her powers was "she is weird". In the end, it felt she is pretty much Jean Gray, with the classic telepathy+telekinesis combo, with the red sparks being the visual manifestation of her telekinesis.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but at least in the comics, she started out as just being able to create hexes that would affect probability in some random way. However, after undergoing some Character Development, she decided to start learning real magic and how to apply it to her hexes so that she can actually control them, which basically amounted to being able to warp reality on a small scale. Not sure how this will translate to the movies, honestly.
edited 26th Apr '15 8:38:53 PM by kkhohoho
Re: Dr. Cho
She is alive at the end. I thought she was dead but then she appeared again at the end at the new Avengers HQ when they are showing all the people working there. It was right before cutting to Black Widow. I asked others if they saw her as well and they confirmed it.
And yeah, this movie was packed.
edited 26th Apr '15 8:28:04 PM by TheDrifter
![]()
![]()
In the comics, telekinesis always come with some visible colorful effect. Like this
◊, for example. It is often unclear whether people can see it or if it only exist for the benefit of the reader, but I figure the movie was using a similar effect.
![]()
That is definitively not how it goes in the movies.Scarlet Witch's power is basically Jean Gray's, but with the telepathy toned down.
edited 26th Apr '15 8:35:35 PM by Heatth
Saw the film. Don't ask questions you know the answer to.
Enjoyed it immensely. Joining the consensus that it would've been better with a bit more room to breath. The first act especially seems really tightly packed, and Vision's existence is never quite as thoroughly justified as it needs to be, but besides that I'm hard-pressed to come up with things to add.
There's a part of me that feels like "oh for god's sake" are perfect last words for Ultron. Certainly better than his conversation with either Scarlet Witch or Vision, which I felt were underwhelming. Alas.
Also, hey, didn't someone or other point out that, while Hulk was technically a founding Avenger, he only actually stuck around for a handful of issues before becoming a fugitive again? Because whoever did is gonna be pleased as punch about the film's ending, lemme tell you.
edited 27th Apr '15 1:55:23 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Something I find funny in hindsight: Marvel Comics are promoting the movie like they usually do with a sale. For Avengers they had sales on the first issues for most Avengers books for example.
For Ao U? The Ultron Initiative where Ultron wants to remove all humans but presents herself as a well intentioned extremist and has remodeled Tony's body into acting as her perfect form(Janet) and hacks all of the Iron Man suits, Annihilation Conquest which is a sort of sequel to Initiative where Ultron takes over the Kree and attempts to get stronger by stealing Adam Warlock's body before being killed by Phyla-Vell and Ultron Unlimited where Ultron takes over and kills everyone in a european country and replaces them with Ultron Drones before the Avengers figures out something is wrong and invades the country. Also The Heroic Age which has pretty much nothing to do with the movie aside from Ultron as a villain.
All but The Heroic Age were the stories I said the trailers reminded me of(hell, I even suggested naming the Twins country Slorenia).
edited 27th Apr '15 3:32:41 AM by LordofLore
![]()
I enjoyed the heck out of the talk between Vision and Ultron. It is one of the part of the movie I really need to reflect on for a while. So humanity is worth protecting not because its existence is important but because even though it is doomed, there is beauty in it? That is kind of depressing but also a very interesting thought, and above all goes against the usual "look how important humanity is" claim. They sidestepped that completely and instead said basically "nah, we are just a small detail in the bigger picture and not important at all, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight for our right to exist as long as we can". It's kind of refreshing. And then there is the element that Ultrons own "Vision" turns against him.
The movie, I noticed, spend a lot of time discussing the meaning of choice. And the consequences if it is taken from us.
Just to be clear, I liked the conversation, not so much the last words it gives Ultron.
So what do we think of the New Avengers roster? I'm pretty damn happy. Fairly surprised by just how few original Avengers there are in it but given enough focus in future films I think it will be a pleasure to watch Sam and Rhodey are both characters I'm especially fond of and I think their humours will compliment each other and will make for some interesting interactions with the weirder members of the team like Wanda and Vision. Also, it's surprising seeing Falcon on a team with so many other characters capable of flight. War Machine and Vision, and I don't think MCU Scarlet Witch can fly just yet, but that's a possibility. It's also strange seeing a live action Avengers team without any scientists on it.
In terms of super weight, they haven't got anyone on the same power level of Thor or Hulk, but certainly nothing mundane could ever be a threat to War-Machine, Vision or Scarlet Witch. Of course we've not seen much of the later two's powers, they might be at a different powerlevel than I first assumed.
Wanda can be killed by someone just walking up and stabbing her, War Machine can be taken out by a couple lucky anti-air missiles and Vision should be impossible to take down without hacking what with his body being made of Vibranium(I'm guessing Thanos big moment in IW Part 1 will be breaking Cap's shield and ripping the Mind Stone out of Vision to show how strong he is).

"Magic sperm" was the joke the writers and fandom used for years.