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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31476: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:27:40 PM

"Magic sperm" was the joke the writers and fandom used for years.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31477: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:00:17 PM

I'm getting really keen to watch this film again.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31478: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:15:53 PM

I don't think that Cho was necessarily forced in, either, it was just that there was more time spend on her than it was strictly needed.

Might be that, yeah. She was relevant to the plot, but she appeared and was focused enough times I thought I should care about her. But then she just vanish and that was it. It felt a bit weird. Maybe to say she was "forced in" is wrong, I just felt her role in the movie was a bit awkward. It was the only character I felt that way.

And on the topic of the run time [up][up] I think the film would have been enjoyable to me more if it was longer, because it could have allowed for a more enriching tone and more time to look at why saving Vision was narratively important but the film certainly doesn't need those things, and making it longer may well have turned the critics and less dedicated audiences from it.

I agree. I enjoyed the movie just fine as it was, although I would probably like it better if it was longer. I most definitively didn't feel it was too long.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:16:11 PM by Heatth

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#31479: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:52:08 PM

I've heard that Hawkeye gets more screentime in this one, but is his characterization more like the cocky, snarky guy he was in Thor (and the comics), or is he more like he was at the beginning of the first Avengers movie, more quiet and brooding?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31480: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:01:38 PM

So I saw someone note this before but I hadn't really realized it. Vision is basically a Composite Character with Adam Warlock.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31482: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:21:02 PM

[up][up][up]Certainly closer to his comics personality.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#31484: Apr 26th 2015 at 7:25:51 PM

[up][up][up]That's amazing.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31485: Apr 26th 2015 at 7:26:30 PM

[up][up][up]You think so? I thought he was more "quiet and brooding" than "cocky and snarky". It is just there is more focus on him now. He became a much more interesting character than in the first Avengers movie, but not really closer his comic counterpart.

edited 26th Apr '15 7:26:42 PM by Heatth

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#31486: Apr 26th 2015 at 7:33:54 PM

Enjoyed it, although I struggled to feel completely satisfied, as I have with a lot of MCU films.

What exactly was Wanda's powers supposed to be? Mental hallucinations, obviously, but she could also fire sparks that......did stuff. In the teaser in Captain America 2, she seemed to have telekinesis?

Dumbo
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31487: Apr 26th 2015 at 7:37:32 PM

[up]I believe she was explicitly said to have telekinesis. With these words even. But overall her powers were rather vague. Even Hill's summary of her powers was "she is weird". In the end, it felt she is pretty much Jean Gray, with the classic telepathy+telekinesis combo, with the red sparks being the visual manifestation of her telekinesis.

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#31488: Apr 26th 2015 at 7:41:52 PM

Ah, I suppose telekinesis fits. The red energy seems like it'd need a different term, I assume telekinesis with moving things WITHOUT effects like that. Which she was doing in the teaser.

I honestly don't have great concentration so I miss tons of details when at the cinema.

Dumbo
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31489: Apr 26th 2015 at 8:18:16 PM

[up]I haven't seen the movie yet, but at least in the comics, she started out as just being able to create hexes that would affect probability in some random way. However, after undergoing some Character Development, she decided to start learning real magic and how to apply it to her hexes so that she can actually control them, which basically amounted to being able to warp reality on a small scale. Not sure how this will translate to the movies, honestly.

edited 26th Apr '15 8:38:53 PM by kkhohoho

TheDrifter Since: Mar, 2011
#31490: Apr 26th 2015 at 8:26:29 PM

Re: Dr. Cho

She is alive at the end. I thought she was dead but then she appeared again at the end at the new Avengers HQ when they are showing all the people working there. It was right before cutting to Black Widow. I asked others if they saw her as well and they confirmed it.

And yeah, this movie was packed.

edited 26th Apr '15 8:28:04 PM by TheDrifter

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31491: Apr 26th 2015 at 8:33:30 PM

[up][up][up]In the comics, telekinesis always come with some visible colorful effect. Like this, for example. It is often unclear whether people can see it or if it only exist for the benefit of the reader, but I figure the movie was using a similar effect.

[up][up]That is definitively not how it goes in the movies.Scarlet Witch's power is basically Jean Gray's, but with the telepathy toned down.

edited 26th Apr '15 8:35:35 PM by Heatth

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31492: Apr 26th 2015 at 9:51:21 PM

Yeah they changed her powers a lot but I felt it worked in the context of the story.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#31493: Apr 27th 2015 at 1:52:41 AM

Saw the film. Don't ask questions you know the answer to.

Enjoyed it immensely. Joining the consensus that it would've been better with a bit more room to breath. The first act especially seems really tightly packed, and Vision's existence is never quite as thoroughly justified as it needs to be, but besides that I'm hard-pressed to come up with things to add.

There's a part of me that feels like "oh for god's sake" are perfect last words for Ultron. Certainly better than his conversation with either Scarlet Witch or Vision, which I felt were underwhelming. Alas.

Also, hey, didn't someone or other point out that, while Hulk was technically a founding Avenger, he only actually stuck around for a handful of issues before becoming a fugitive again? Because whoever did is gonna be pleased as punch about the film's ending, lemme tell you.

edited 27th Apr '15 1:55:23 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31494: Apr 27th 2015 at 3:22:01 AM

Something I find funny in hindsight: Marvel Comics are promoting the movie like they usually do with a sale. For Avengers they had sales on the first issues for most Avengers books for example.

For Ao U? The Ultron Initiative where Ultron wants to remove all humans but presents herself as a well intentioned extremist and has remodeled Tony's body into acting as her perfect form(Janet) and hacks all of the Iron Man suits, Annihilation Conquest which is a sort of sequel to Initiative where Ultron takes over the Kree and attempts to get stronger by stealing Adam Warlock's body before being killed by Phyla-Vell and Ultron Unlimited where Ultron takes over and kills everyone in a european country and replaces them with Ultron Drones before the Avengers figures out something is wrong and invades the country. Also The Heroic Age which has pretty much nothing to do with the movie aside from Ultron as a villain.

All but The Heroic Age were the stories I said the trailers reminded me of(hell, I even suggested naming the Twins country Slorenia).

edited 27th Apr '15 3:32:41 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31495: Apr 27th 2015 at 4:20:32 AM

[up][up]I enjoyed the heck out of the talk between Vision and Ultron. It is one of the part of the movie I really need to reflect on for a while. So humanity is worth protecting not because its existence is important but because even though it is doomed, there is beauty in it? That is kind of depressing but also a very interesting thought, and above all goes against the usual "look how important humanity is" claim. They sidestepped that completely and instead said basically "nah, we are just a small detail in the bigger picture and not important at all, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight for our right to exist as long as we can". It's kind of refreshing. And then there is the element that Ultrons own "Vision" turns against him.

The movie, I noticed, spend a lot of time discussing the meaning of choice. And the consequences if it is taken from us.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31497: Apr 27th 2015 at 6:24:19 AM

So what do we think of the New Avengers roster? I'm pretty damn happy. Fairly surprised by just how few original Avengers there are in it but given enough focus in future films I think it will be a pleasure to watch Sam and Rhodey are both characters I'm especially fond of and I think their humours will compliment each other and will make for some interesting interactions with the weirder members of the team like Wanda and Vision. Also, it's surprising seeing Falcon on a team with so many other characters capable of flight. War Machine and Vision, and I don't think MCU Scarlet Witch can fly just yet, but that's a possibility. It's also strange seeing a live action Avengers team without any scientists on it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31498: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:00:24 AM

At first I was concerned about the lack of raw power but then I realized in their own rights War Machine, Vision and Scarlet Witch are all pretty powerful.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31499: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:05:49 AM

[up] In terms of super weight, they haven't got anyone on the same power level of Thor or Hulk, but certainly nothing mundane could ever be a threat to War-Machine, Vision or Scarlet Witch. Of course we've not seen much of the later two's powers, they might be at a different powerlevel than I first assumed.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31500: Apr 27th 2015 at 7:22:11 AM

Wanda can be killed by someone just walking up and stabbing her, War Machine can be taken out by a couple lucky anti-air missiles and Vision should be impossible to take down without hacking what with his body being made of Vibranium(I'm guessing Thanos big moment in IW Part 1 will be breaking Cap's shield and ripping the Mind Stone out of Vision to show how strong he is).


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