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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I once saw someone state that the reason Pym interests them as a character is because he's one of the few people who has actually had the inability of creators to agree with what to do with him integrated into his characterization.
The writers could never agree on a name, costume or take that stuck, so someone eventually made it canon that he suffers from severe self esteem issues and that his constant costume/identity changes are usually a sign of bad things going on in his brain.
"Pretty sure a good 10% of the Avengers trailer YouTube views are from me
trying to figure out how to draw Jason as Ultron.
edited 26th Apr '15 11:11:45 AM by Tuckerscreator
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Maybe. A few of the basic ideas are good, especially Secret Invasion and Civil War; it's the execution that was so-so in Secret Wars' case, and atrocious in Civil Wars'. Although, some ideas are just bad, such as Vision Quest, or the 'Scarlet Witch goes nutsy-fufu' plothread. I actually tried to think of ways to make the latter work, but to make SW crazy without it being a complete Ass Pull, you need a proper catalyst, such as losing her kids, and I don't know if the Wanda and the Vision having kids is something that the bigwigs in charge of the MCU want to do, in part of because of just how convoluted finding a way for a human and an android to have kids would be. (Maybe they could adopt? It would certainly help nix the idea of them just being pieces of somebody elses' soul, at least. Though they'd still have to kill the kids off somehow; not sure how that would go over.)
Is this Secret Wars where it becomes apparent that Nick Fury erased the Avengers' memories of invading Latvia? Or the stupid one with the stupid battle world. Or the other stupid one with the stupid battle world.
Why is the current comics storyline going back to that stupid battle world by the way? I really hate that.
Also, Dissembled would work better if it was an intentional and sanely motivated attacked by Wanda against the Avengers.
Secret Invasion was worth while because it was an actually satisfying way to bring back lots of dead characters. Oh, and make Tony realise he'd damned us all, that was satisfying, and it also lead into Dark Reign which is just, the best.
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I don't know about that. It was bad enough with Wanda just being nuts, but to have her attack the Avengers sanely and intentionally? I just don't think that would be something she'd do, or at least of her own violation; the closest we got to that was 'Darker Than Scarlet' by Byrne, and even then, Immortus was still partly behind it. (The Lord of Limbo, for those who don't know who Immortus is.) I just don't see Wanda as someone who, completely in her right mind, would go against the Avengers, Ao U aside.
edited 26th Apr '15 12:02:07 PM by kkhohoho
Saw Ao U earlier. Overall I definitely liked it, although it wasn't perfect. Two things which occur to me first are 1. Did it really have to be that long? (although I can't think of what would be cut) and 2. Was killing off Quicksilver really that necessary?
So the critics are generally positive, but not extremely so about the film. Heck, some say that it feels less like a story and more like just a financial investment for the studio
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I wonder how much of it is due to Executive Meddling and how much are the director's. Chances are the pointless shoutouts to minor characters, cramming in of so many people, Klaue cameo, Infinity/Thanos stuff, who dies, Thor subplot and all the other thinly veiled Sequel Hooks are probably on Feige's end.
But the numerous complaints about characterization and Flanderizing are probably a result of Whedon's own choices, considering past statements he's made on working with other writers' material. Also maybe it's just me but Marvel seems way more interested in controlling the plot than stuff like dialogue and characterization, outside of nixing stuff like smoking and drinking.
edited 26th Apr '15 2:28:20 PM by AlleyOop
x4 If you thought that was long, wait until the extended version comes out; that one's supposed to be around three hours.
Word of God from Whedon was that Klaue was Whedon's decision, since he needed to find someone from the comics who would logically have access to large amounts of vibranium. He claims he wasn't even aware that they were making a BP movie back when he started writing the Age of Ultron screenplay.
I would not be surprised if some of the other stuff was meddling though. At the very least though, some of the Infinity War stuff was likely him since he was the one introduced Thanos in the first place.
edited 26th Apr '15 2:39:51 PM by comicwriter
Personally, I didn't feel the movie was too long. If anything, I felt it was too short. I didn't notice the time fly by and were completely engaged in the screen all the time. A couple of plot elements felt a bit rushed, however (Thor's subplot being the worst offender).
Also didn't notice any wave of pointless cameos. Dr. Helen Cho was the only character that I felt kinda forced in. Klaue appearance felt like a perfectly natural extension of the story. I didn't even notice he was supposed to be a pre existing comic character. If he was a nameless smuggler the story would flow just as well. The fact he had an interesting personality and ties to a future movie just makes it better.
I don't think that Cho was necessarily forced in, either, it was just that there was more time spend on her than it was strictly needed.
On a different note, I was ridiculously pleased how much they reused already established characters at points where it really fit, from the "big names" to the smallest "had one line once" guy.
Alley Oop, you should probably watch the film, because the film you're criticising is resembling Age of Ultron less and less.
I mean, I'd like to discuss these topics you're raising, but it's difficult when mostly I'm stuck clarifying things.
As for cameos, Klaue and Cho are useful plot points, making them people from the comics is probably a lot smarter than making them original characters; it gives the fans less things to love.
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I think the film would have been enjoyable to me more if it was longer, because it could have allowed for a more enriching tone and more time to look at why saving Vision was narratively important but the film certainly doesn't need those things, and making it longer may well have turned the critics and less dedicated audiences from it.
Characterisation-wize, Cap's the only one I'd call iffy. Don't get me wrong, I think his characterisation is a logical progression from The Winter Soldier (Less so than Natasha's mind), but I also think the time skip doesn't allow us to get a solid justification for it, which makes me afraid the Brothers come Civil War are going to ignore the development.
Also, I suspect Quick-Ass' death was a suggestion from someone other than Joss, because it just seems to allow future development of Scarlet Witch even though Joss has no intention of writing that.
edited 26th Apr '15 3:16:44 PM by Whowho
I had no problem with Cap.
Man, I really hope they release the extended version in my country. I don't care what anyone else says, my main complain is that this movie is too damned short! There are a couple of scenes I would have loved to see, and which are hopefully in the extended version. Like A little bit more time to grieve for Jarvis and Quicksilver, Tony and Wanda actually talking to each other at one point, a little bit more related to Vision, clarification if Dr. Cho survived or not and it just feels like there are sometimes transition scenes which were cut-out for time, but would have made some aspects more fluent...for example, we never actually see Wanda attacking Bruce And that's not like The Dark Knight Rises where you just wonder when the movie is finally getting to the point, this feels like every single scene is important somehow.
And I really hope that Ao S will clarify some background stuff, too.
Saw it again. Opinions have not changed.
...isn't Vision organic? I mean, he's a vibranium/human cell mix on a molecular level. Dude can probably have kids, just needs the equipment (which, given that he made his clothes and cape... he can probably do).
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Well, in the comics, the Vision was technically a 'synthazoid', which is basically just another term for an android; he was even built out of the parts of the original Human Torch, Marvels' (or Timely's, as it was called back then,) very first Superhero, an android himself. And because of this, he and Wanda were never able to reproduce without the aid of some good ol' fashioned magic, and even that was undone with the next writer.
However, it sounds like just what exactly Vision is is at least somewhat different in the movie, so who knows? Maybe they can do it.
edited 26th Apr '15 4:03:12 PM by kkhohoho

Every other story on the list is fine, and starting with #14 or so, we get some true bonafide classics, but it seems that some of the picks were based more on their importance to continuity rather than the quality of the stories themselves.
edited 26th Apr '15 4:03:45 PM by kkhohoho