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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#31426: Apr 25th 2015 at 9:10:48 PM

[up]Urgh, seriously? The horrific training that she must have gotten from the Red Room to turn her into a Tyke-Bomb would have made for a better kinship with Bruce than sterility.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31427: Apr 25th 2015 at 9:11:32 PM

Three more days.

Three more days.

MUST... RESIST...

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31428: Apr 25th 2015 at 9:41:34 PM

[up][up][up]Talk about taking things out of context. That was one thing, brought up in one scene and wasn't, at all, a big part of the relationship (as it should be obvious). And it was Bruce who brought the subject, not Natasha. Specifically At one point of the movie Bruce mention he fear a stable relationship because him having children would be a terrible ideanote  Natasha then mention that isn't a problem because she is sterile. And she wasn't self conscious about that thing in particular, but because the Red Room did its best to strip her of her humanity, and her sterility is just one part of that.

[up][up]And that is exactly the case. The kinship is that they both consider themselves monsters. The fact neither can have children is just an additional note.

edited 25th Apr '15 9:55:06 PM by Heatth

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31429: Apr 25th 2015 at 9:47:28 PM

OK, that's not so bad then.

Also it sounds like really good groundwork for a possible relationship between her and Bucky just like in the comics, since I doubt anything will come of the Widow/Hulk romance, and given so many people still hate it after seeing the whole thing, I doubt anyone at Marvel is still interested in pursuing that thread either.

edited 25th Apr '15 11:05:56 PM by AlleyOop

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#31430: Apr 25th 2015 at 10:20:37 PM

[up][up]Oh phew, that's a relief!

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#31431: Apr 25th 2015 at 11:13:24 PM

[up][up]I've seem plenty people who liked the romance though. I myself found it to be rather sweet. Kinda made me wish for a Widow/Hulk "solo" movie. I fear that this would become a Hulk movie with Black Widow as love interest though.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31432: Apr 26th 2015 at 12:28:57 AM

[up][up]That aspect was handled very well and didn't bother me, surprisingly.

Oh, I nearly forgot: One thing I really, really liked about the movie was how much emphasis was put on rescuing people. It was like the Anti-thesis to Men of Steel in that regard.

edited 26th Apr '15 12:29:14 AM by Swanpride

PurpleDalek Since: Sep, 2011
#31433: Apr 26th 2015 at 12:52:46 AM

I liked that aspect too but I'm pretty sure the Hulk must have killed a lot of people in that African city. I mean, its not his fault but you'd think someone would bring it up or call out Scarlet Witch for causing it to happen.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31434: Apr 26th 2015 at 2:11:30 AM

I actually brought up the fact that both Iron Man and Superman tries to take the fight out of the city but both fail due to their opponents knocking them back to the ground.

(Also it's kind of easy to rescue people when you know when the final battle is going to happen, knows exactly where it's going to happen and has a whole team there to get people out compared to one man having to stop an ongoing invasion of Earth)

Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31435: Apr 26th 2015 at 2:40:06 AM

[up][up] Didn't she have a breakdown towards the end about that? "This is all because of me!"

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31436: Apr 26th 2015 at 3:03:14 AM

[up]She is referring to something else. though.

Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31437: Apr 26th 2015 at 3:36:36 AM

[up] oh wait got that part wrong, disregard what I said

Though I do now remember as well that Banner confronted her about that later, if that counts.

Speaking of focusing on saving civilians, was anyone else impressed as well that the three cities where the action occurs all avert Creator Provincialism? (African city, South Korea and Eastern European city)

edited 26th Apr '15 3:39:42 AM by Pachylad

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31438: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:15:38 AM

Was it just me, or was Wakanda a country or a city?

Also, I can't help but say that the interpersonal relationship between Bruce and Nat was the most engaging part of the film for me. They both gave very good reasons for it. both being people who didn't really want to be part of the fighting anymore even though it was inherent to them It feels to me, like a natural and satisfying progression from The Winter Soldier.

As for the run time, I think it was ballsy even letting the film be this long. Any film more than 110 minutes is pushing it and statistically wont perform as well regardless of your ability to tell a more engaging story. While I'd love to have the three hour cut of Avengers and Avengers Age Of Ultron, three hour movies are seriously unpopular with critics, and with the current feel towards superhero movies the film would have been torn apart for being 'self indulgent'.

And it's not like the pacing is bad; in fact the pacing is incredibly strong; it's just the scenes are so tight tone doesn't get established so well. And of course, the last superhero film which prioritized tone over pacing was Amazing Spider-man 2.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31439: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:27:36 AM

One thing for sure: Watching this movie is exhausting! The plot is coherent, but there is so much going on, I needed to constantly concentrate to follow it. When it was over, I was for a moment somewhat surprised that it was over already and then I noticed how wrung out I was. It was the oddest experience I ever had.

PurpleDalek Since: Sep, 2011
#31440: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:29:04 AM

If the Hobbit movies should have taught us anything, its that sometimes less is more. I don't think a three hour cut works for the vast majority of films. There are exceptions obviously. (The Wolf of Wall Street springs to mind.)

edited 26th Apr '15 4:30:10 AM by PurpleDalek

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31441: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:38:43 AM

Interestingly, my main complaint about the second Hobbit film is that it was far too short for the wealth of content in it. it had all these plotline, but never the time to justify them within the narrative.

Age of Ultron on the otherhand does managed to justify all but one ( Vision's, but he's fun to watch regardless ) of it's plot lines. But it's done at such a pace it is a bit exhausting. Adding more to it's run time probably would give diminishing returns in making it less exhausting.

Then again, I saw it at the midnight premier, so I was exhausted when I STARTED watching it.

edited 26th Apr '15 4:39:15 AM by Whowho

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31442: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:11:52 AM

Well, three hours is a little bit over the top, but I think some of the additional scenes might have fleshed out some aspects of the movie a little bit better.

On a totally different note: Vision is doomed, isn't he? Thanos will destroy him to get to the mind stone. And which ones are still missing? The time stone and the soul stone, right? Or was this the soul stone and the mind stone is still missing?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31443: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:23:40 AM

This was the Mind Stone. Judging by everything being kept in containers Time and Soul will probably also be kept in unusual things.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31444: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:27:04 AM

Which maybe start with H and N, I know....(honestly, even if that was most certainly not originally planed, I wouldn't be surprised if the moment this theory turned up on the net, someone at Marvel decided to make it happen and is now thinking of cool objects starting with H and N).

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31446: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:29:57 AM

Tesseract

H

Aether

N

Orb

Sceptre

edited 26th Apr '15 5:30:51 AM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31447: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:34:27 AM

...Shit. In the comics Adam Warlock was just called "Him" before someone gave him a name.

Edit: 50 Greatest Avengers Stories if anyone wants to see what the public consider iconic stories.

edited 26th Apr '15 6:18:46 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31448: Apr 26th 2015 at 7:34:14 AM

I suspect we will find the last two in Doctor Strange and GOTG 2. Since there's precedent now, they might merge one of the unrelated MacGuffins from the Strange universe with one of the Infinity Stones.

I liked that aspect too but I'm pretty sure the Hulk must have killed a lot of people in that African city. I mean, its not his fault but you'd think someone would bring it up or call out Scarlet Witch for causing it to happen.

I suspect that will be important to Civil War. Because either way it's still related to the Avengers, since if you don't blame the Hulk for his actions the girl who forced him to do it is now an Avenger herself.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31449: Apr 26th 2015 at 8:02:59 AM

I get the impression a lot of what transpired in Age of Ultron is set up for Scarlet Witch's future. For instance, why kill Quiksilver at the very end of the film? There isn't much time for character beats inspired for it, so perhaps it's set up for her character in future stories.

On the topic of the Hulk It is valid that even though he was under mind control, it really doesn't stop the fact that people of mass destruction being mind controllable makes them just as dangerous, if not more.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011

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