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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Talk about taking things out of context. That was one thing, brought up in one scene and wasn't, at all, a big part of the relationship (as it should be obvious). And it was Bruce who brought the subject, not Natasha. Specifically At one point of the movie Bruce mention he fear a stable relationship because him having children would be a terrible ideanote Natasha then mention that isn't a problem because she is sterile. And she wasn't self conscious about that thing in particular, but because the Red Room did its best to strip her of her humanity, and her sterility is just one part of that.
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And that is exactly the case. The kinship is that they both consider themselves monsters. The fact neither can have children is just an additional note.
edited 25th Apr '15 9:55:06 PM by Heatth
OK, that's not so bad then.
Also it sounds like really good groundwork for a possible relationship between her and Bucky just like in the comics, since I doubt anything will come of the Widow/Hulk romance, and given so many people still hate it after seeing the whole thing, I doubt anyone at Marvel is still interested in pursuing that thread either.
edited 25th Apr '15 11:05:56 PM by AlleyOop
I actually brought up the fact that both Iron Man and Superman tries to take the fight out of the city but both fail due to their opponents knocking them back to the ground.
(Also it's kind of easy to rescue people when you know when the final battle is going to happen, knows exactly where it's going to happen and has a whole team there to get people out compared to one man having to stop an ongoing invasion of Earth)
oh wait got that part wrong, disregard what I said
Though I do now remember as well that Banner confronted her about that later, if that counts.
Speaking of focusing on saving civilians, was anyone else impressed as well that the three cities where the action occurs all avert Creator Provincialism? (African city, South Korea and Eastern European city)
edited 26th Apr '15 3:39:42 AM by Pachylad
Was it just me, or was Wakanda a country or a city?
Also, I can't help but say that the interpersonal relationship between Bruce and Nat was the most engaging part of the film for me. They both gave very good reasons for it. both being people who didn't really want to be part of the fighting anymore even though it was inherent to them It feels to me, like a natural and satisfying progression from The Winter Soldier.
As for the run time, I think it was ballsy even letting the film be this long. Any film more than 110 minutes is pushing it and statistically wont perform as well regardless of your ability to tell a more engaging story. While I'd love to have the three hour cut of Avengers and Avengers Age Of Ultron, three hour movies are seriously unpopular with critics, and with the current feel towards superhero movies the film would have been torn apart for being 'self indulgent'.
And it's not like the pacing is bad; in fact the pacing is incredibly strong; it's just the scenes are so tight tone doesn't get established so well. And of course, the last superhero film which prioritized tone over pacing was Amazing Spider-man 2.
One thing for sure: Watching this movie is exhausting! The plot is coherent, but there is so much going on, I needed to constantly concentrate to follow it. When it was over, I was for a moment somewhat surprised that it was over already and then I noticed how wrung out I was. It was the oddest experience I ever had.
If the Hobbit movies should have taught us anything, its that sometimes less is more. I don't think a three hour cut works for the vast majority of films. There are exceptions obviously. (The Wolf of Wall Street springs to mind.)
edited 26th Apr '15 4:30:10 AM by PurpleDalek
Interestingly, my main complaint about the second Hobbit film is that it was far too short for the wealth of content in it. it had all these plotline, but never the time to justify them within the narrative.
Age of Ultron on the otherhand does managed to justify all but one ( Vision's, but he's fun to watch regardless ) of it's plot lines. But it's done at such a pace it is a bit exhausting. Adding more to it's run time probably would give diminishing returns in making it less exhausting.
Then again, I saw it at the midnight premier, so I was exhausted when I STARTED watching it.
edited 26th Apr '15 4:39:15 AM by Whowho
Well, three hours is a little bit over the top, but I think some of the additional scenes might have fleshed out some aspects of the movie a little bit better.
On a totally different note: Vision is doomed, isn't he? Thanos will destroy him to get to the mind stone. And which ones are still missing? The time stone and the soul stone, right? Or was this the soul stone and the mind stone is still missing?
...Shit. In the comics Adam Warlock was just called "Him" before someone gave him a name.
Edit: 50 Greatest Avengers Stories
if anyone wants to see what the public consider iconic stories.
edited 26th Apr '15 6:18:46 AM by LordofLore
I suspect we will find the last two in Doctor Strange and GOTG 2. Since there's precedent now, they might merge one of the unrelated MacGuffins from the Strange universe with one of the Infinity Stones.
I suspect that will be important to Civil War. Because either way it's still related to the Avengers, since if you don't blame the Hulk for his actions the girl who forced him to do it is now an Avenger herself.
I get the impression a lot of what transpired in Age of Ultron is set up for Scarlet Witch's future. For instance, why kill Quiksilver at the very end of the film? There isn't much time for character beats inspired for it, so perhaps it's set up for her character in future stories.
On the topic of the Hulk It is valid that even though he was under mind control, it really doesn't stop the fact that people of mass destruction being mind controllable makes them just as dangerous, if not more.

Urgh, seriously? The horrific training that she must have gotten from the Red Room to turn her into a Tyke-Bomb would have made for a better kinship with Bruce than sterility.
When we're done, there won't be anything left.