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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31376: Apr 25th 2015 at 7:00:19 AM

[up][up]Way back before Avengers 2 was confirmed to be about Ultron, I'd thought they could have the Masters of Evil tied to Thanos somehow.

Tim Roth did say Marvel was interested in bringing back the Abomination at one point so that's something we could go with.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31377: Apr 25th 2015 at 7:02:32 AM

Funny enough the last time Tony screwed up in the comics and Ultron took advantage of it she was deadly serious about killing off humanity and broadcast it to the whole world so that they would know that the next stage of evolution was here and that they would all(aside from the love of her life, Janet)die due to engineered natural disasters. The heroes stop the plan only for Ultron to go "Hey, you gave me enough time to hack nukes" and actually launches one at New York where the fight is since she will survive it(Ms. Marvel/Carol destroys the nuke over the sea and absorbs the energy released so that she can knock out a raging teammate with the force of a nuke).

Edit: I should probably mention who the villain of the comic!Infinity War was way back when in case you want ideas on what other villains might show up in Part 2.

edited 25th Apr '15 7:27:51 AM by LordofLore

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31378: Apr 25th 2015 at 7:16:41 AM

[up][up] I am a massive fan of Tim Roth, and I did wonder if he was the secondary antagonist Joss originally had planned for the first Avengers film.

Really, I'm wondering if there's enough heavy hitters that could join the Master of Evil and actually be a threat. Cross bones and Baron Zemo are quite low on their super power weight, Klaue too, depending on how bat-shit stupid comic book science he goes between now and then. (A villain made of sound?) a Justin Hammer Crimson Dynamo at least would be a legitimate threat to anyone not Thor or Hulk, but in terms of truly heavy hitters, Abomination is the only surviving villain.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31379: Apr 25th 2015 at 7:17:22 AM

I don't think they're gonna spend 6 years and multiple movies building up to Thanos just to have him get M. Bison'ed.

[up]It depends on how the next phase of movies goes. If Zemo survives that's one. Yellowjacket could be another. They could introduce Moonstone in Captain Marvel and of course you have Klaw (who was really excellent in his brief role) in Black Panther.

Klaw is also a complete powerhouse Depending on the Writer.

edited 25th Apr '15 7:19:03 AM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31380: Apr 25th 2015 at 7:42:37 AM

I'm really not fond of Magnus, or Adam Warlock. I'm sure it could be done really well, but I'll admit I have a bias against it and I don't want them to even try. The two of them always come across to me as a spotlight stealing squad.

Moonstone would be a great choice; for one as villains go she has an interesting and contrasting personality.

Klaw's powers still baffle me.

The main issue I'd have with Abomination is that he's not visually that distinct or interesting.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31381: Apr 25th 2015 at 7:58:07 AM

Technically Red Skull might still be alive, too. He got sucked into space, right? For all we know he ended up on some other planet and got a bunch nifty powers there.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31382: Apr 25th 2015 at 8:07:18 AM

The reason Magus and Warlock were so overused is probably because they were made by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Jim Starlin. Everyone wants to use their characters in stories if they can.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31384: Apr 25th 2015 at 8:16:10 AM

See, Red Skull, Loki and Ultron seem far too mastermind type characters to simply be members of the Masters of Eivl. They could very reasonably form the MCU's Cable.

Ithilgore Since: Jan, 2001
#31385: Apr 25th 2015 at 8:26:23 AM

The people saying how just hooking up the scepter to the unfinished Ultron program was a terrible idea, did you forget that Stark had just had his mind addled by Scarlet Witch, leading him to be desperate to complete his Ultron program no matter what, and convinced it was absolutely necessarily?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31386: Apr 25th 2015 at 8:28:24 AM

Comic info:

Warlock was really big at the time as you may notice.

[up][up][up]I'm fully expecting Vision to be killed only for him to come back when a reset button is hit after the heroes win much like how pretty much everyone did in IG.

edited 25th Apr '15 8:52:47 AM by LordofLore

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#31387: Apr 25th 2015 at 8:35:14 AM

Few quetsions: 1) Why is Hulk wearing clothes? 2) Why is Spider-Man and the X-Men involved in a Galactic Level threat? Spidey and a vast majority of the X-Men are Earth-based capable only. 3) Who is that red Spider-Man next to Spider-Woman and the guy dressed as a ghost. 4) Why's Thor wearing a mask?

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31388: Apr 25th 2015 at 8:45:12 AM

[up]1)Because this isn't just the Hulk; it's the Professor Hulk, who had Banner's intelligence and all of the traits and abilities that came with it, which of course included wearing clothes. 2)Because they were Marvel's most popular characters at the time, that's why. Why do you think Spidey and Wolverine became Avengers in 2005 when it didn't make much sense for them to do so? Greenbacks, that's why. 3.The guy dressed as a ghost is Moonknight, and the 'red Spiderman' next to him is not Spiderman, but instead Weapon Omega, who I think is 616's Wildchild; Omega's a member of Alpha Flight, which is basically the Avengers of our neighbors to the north. (Or, in other words, Canada.) 4.And Thor's wearing a mask because... he's not Thor. He is instead Eric Masterton posing as Thor because the real Thor was, at the time, indisposed. After Thor came back, Masterton kept on heroing on Thunderstrike, even getting his own book before it get cancelled after 30-some issues and he kicked the bucket alongside it.

Comics are weird.tongue (Though I bet the MCU will get just as weird in due time...)

edited 25th Apr '15 9:09:47 AM by kkhohoho

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#31389: Apr 25th 2015 at 8:52:34 AM

1) Forgot about Professor Hulk. Seen the "normal" Hulk too much, I guess. 2) Marvel's Batman, gotcha. 3) Never seen Moonknight before. And "Canadian Spider-Man", gotcha. Looked him up, must have had a character redesign, the face mask is different. 4) How many times has Thor not been Thor? And how many Not-Thors are running around? I know of three at the moment, and one of them is Thor. Unless this Masterson guy is currently dead, then make that two.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31390: Apr 25th 2015 at 9:03:40 AM

[up]Masterton is dead and, much as I hate to say it, good riddance. I don't know about his solo series, but at least in his Avengers run, he was basically a glorified Leeroy Jenkins, either charging into battle or making egregious errors without putting too much thought in it. His biggest blunder was probably during Operation Galactic Storm, which was a big interstellar war between the Kree and the Shiar that the Earth — and in turn, the Avengers — got caught up in. Basically, there were alien diplomats, and everyone else was trying to be civil, and then Masterton stuck his hammer/foot into his mouth and attacked one of the diplomats, because he was funny like that. And things just went south from there.tongue

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#31391: Apr 25th 2015 at 9:16:40 AM

Sounds like they were playing Thor as he was in the original myths.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31392: Apr 25th 2015 at 9:35:23 AM

[up]Except Myth!Thor had red hair, while Masterton!Thor still had blonde hair, so this obviously can't be the case. Although, original red-haired Myth!Thor does exist in the Marvel Universe, or did anyway. For a long time, Asgard was under a sort of reoccurring cycle; every so often, Asgard would go through Ragnarok and be reborn into a few form, only to undergo Ragnarok again and be reborn again, and then go through Ragnarok again and etc. Each time Asgard was reborn, it took on a different form, with at least one of these forms adhering much more closely to the original myths; Thor's a red-head, there isn't any alien or advanced tech whatsoever, etc. So he's in there, or at least was.

edited 25th Apr '15 9:35:40 AM by kkhohoho

Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#31393: Apr 25th 2015 at 10:03:38 AM

Oh, no the mind whammy doesn't actually excuse it because a: He talked Banner into helping, and b: if Tony is desperate to make earth less vulnerable to the next random batch of aliens to come along. Which is a perfectly sane and reasonable concern, he has a whole bunch of much safer avenues to explore. Just off the top of my head:

"Fix extremis. Dose everyone."

"Reverse-engineer the super soldier serum used on cap. Or the one used on widow. See the extremis plan for next step".

Mass-production of arc-reactors and other iron man tech, have Pepper organize mass recruitment and training of labor in the third world. Employ them to start off-planet industry (off planet because the scale of production I have in mind here would not be very compatible with still having an eco system at the end of the day if done on earth..) Goal: 7 billion iron man suits. For lols, combine with previous two plans.

The primary problem is that earths defenses consist of a very small handful of people who have been empowered by experimental and accidental transhumanist procedures. That's a very fragile aegis. Heck, you could obliterate most of earth without ever even giving battle against them because they are not mobile or numerous enough to stop you from just striking in more locations than they can cover.

But transhumanist technologies obviously do work very well in this universe - see: "The entire avengers team".. so work on them until the fatality rate drops far enough, and use them on everyone.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#31394: Apr 25th 2015 at 10:44:19 AM

Was anyone else annoyed by Cap's not answer to Tony's question about another invasion?

Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#31395: Apr 25th 2015 at 11:03:57 AM

Somewhat. But there is a logical problem foundational to the very super hero genre here. Any actual solution to the level of threats facing earth would render superheroes obsolete. I mean, let's say that the avengers take this problem seriously, and get the governments of the world on board with doing something about this. (With a spot of blackmail and witchery to poke holdouts) So everyone gets superserum version 3 "Now with only one in 762 chance of dying" most of the population of earth gets moved to vast habitats dug into rocks in space, and everyone above the age of 17 has an iron suit for joyriding, emergencies and militia call up duty. If you turn on the weapons on the suit, it starts recording everything you do, and you can't take it *off* without the approval of a ranking officer of the militia, so it's easy to bust people who mis-use it.

In this world, how important are the avengers? I mean, this would make a very interesting film. "We used to be unique, but now we are.. well, still famous and rich, but not so much with the unstoppable powerhouses anymore" But it would be a story about coming home from the wars, not a superhero movie at all.

edited 25th Apr '15 11:07:28 AM by Izeinsummer

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31396: Apr 25th 2015 at 12:11:20 PM

[up][up] I think cap's response to that was The new Avenger institute and team.

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Where force fails, cunning prevails
#31397: Apr 25th 2015 at 12:32:25 PM

[up][up][up] I actually felt the same as I hate idealistic bullshit with no actual foundation to think things through. I'm not against idealism, just idealism that's not tempered with pragmatism. That said, [up] may have a point with The New Avengers.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31398: Apr 25th 2015 at 1:57:53 PM

I suspect that Tony's anxiety over another invasion will also play into Civil War to some degree.

I've seen someone suggest that perhaps part of the reason he backs registration (aside from the obvious guilt) is the belief that an army of government-controlled heroes united under one banner stands a much better chance against another alien invasion than a team of six people, albeit one supported by the remnants of SHIELD.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31399: Apr 25th 2015 at 2:06:10 PM

[up]Honestly, all I'm hoping for from Civil War is that the movie makes sure the characters are in character this time, because the original comic certainly didn't. (Fuhrer Stark, anyone?)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31400: Apr 25th 2015 at 2:06:20 PM

I wonder if after Civil War they're going to run with the "once the plot is over, people who resisted ultimately just goes with the problem and everything becomes hunky dory again" thing, or if some of their heroes' series are going to involve them being anti-registration vigilantes, or their lives have some kind of fallout from it, even after the Registration side wins.

One of the things that bugged me about Civil War was that, even if it took a while to get there, the ending was actually very neat, and everything gravitated back to a Status Quo in a way it probably shouldn't have.

edited 25th Apr '15 2:08:09 PM by KnownUnknown


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