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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31201: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:45:10 PM

Probably remade his original gauntlet after The Thanos Quest if I had to guess since that's the story of him hunting down the Gems before defeating the Silver Surfer and the Infinity Gauntlet story.

edited 22nd Apr '15 12:51:17 PM by LordofLore

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#31202: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:46:59 PM

He slapped it together himself after getting his mitts on the gems.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31203: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:47:17 PM

It was his usual gauntlet, unlike the films where he hasn't worn any gloves so far.

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A procrastination in of itself
#31204: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:49:44 PM

So my girlfriend hadn't seen Cap 2 and we're going to the midnight showing of Avengers 2 here, as such we just watched Cap 2.

Does it bother anyone else that Cap's speech did nothing? Hydra still managed to pre-empt the launch sequence, they still managed to board the carriers with all their guys, they still managed to open the bay doors as soon as they needed to, there wasn't even a single fight where the people Cap inspired actually helped out, all they did was get mown down by Hydra.

It seems like such a lost opportunity, I'm not asking for something Spiderman style where the hero gets saved by inspired people, but I just wish they'd done something useful. They could have stopped the carriers from launching long enough for Cap and Falcon to make it downstairs, kept Hill secure in her little room, stopped some inbound aircraft from getting in Cap and Falcon's way, forced Hydra to open the bay doors manually instead of automatically, just something!

Anyway that's my little rant over, I've got just over 3 hours till Avengers 2 so I'll be back to read everyone's spoilers for that afterwards.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31205: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:52:28 PM

For what it's worth it produced a For Want Of A Nail situation where those few precious seconds he gained from the guy not pushing the button made the difference.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#31206: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:59:38 PM

I think it's possible that they would have faced resistance from both Hydra and SHIELD if he hadn't made that speech.

Oh God! Natural light!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31207: Apr 22nd 2015 at 1:04:15 PM

Indeed. Steve knew taking down the Helicarriers might bring down good people with the bad. He wanted to give everyone a chase to realize what was happening and flee or fight back before things started exploding.

Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Don't mock the shocker
#31208: Apr 22nd 2015 at 1:18:29 PM

One nice thing I noticed is that the one Shield member who doesn't follow Rumlow's order to start the launch sequence in Winter Soldier also appears in Ao U. Though I don't remember in which scenes, I'm sure I've seen his face.

[down] Yeah, that guy.

edited 22nd Apr '15 1:19:37 PM by Rvdz

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31209: Apr 22nd 2015 at 1:19:08 PM

You mean the guy Rumlow nearly shoots? That's nice to see. I was wondering if he died in the subsequent firefight, since it's not entirely clear whether he made it out.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31210: Apr 22nd 2015 at 1:43:11 PM

Paul Rudd talks about Ant-Man and it's pretty funny.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31211: Apr 22nd 2015 at 1:51:59 PM

Glad to see he has so much faith in the character.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#31214: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:05:18 PM

That nitrogen and metal door thing would be a good Mythbusters test.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#31215: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:48:27 PM

Avengers Age of Ultron was damn good.

Though, having not seen 3D movie since the Hobbit I was taken aback by the incredibly low frame rate, took some getting use to. (Why is Hollywood still using 24fps in 3D? It's effectively 12fps for each eye).

But yes, Ultron was an insanely watch-able character. One I hope to return. I also really appreciated the performances which gave us Quicksilver and Vision.

Also, there are A LOT of fight scenes, like, I was surprised by just how much action there was in there. All of them where worthwhile though. Regardless of anything else, this film is incredibly fun.

I thought all the character arcs made sense. Special note to Natasha: This is by far the most human we've seen her. I'm sure that will rub people the wrong way, but her interactions with Banner/Hulk just made sense to me. After Winter Solider her being more human felt earned. And Hulk leaving her at the end seemed very fitting considering WHAT A DICK move she pulled on Banner and special note on Vision I thought his look was really, really good, and Paul's performance further enhanced it, but he comes in so late in the plot with little time left to dedicate to him, so as great as he is, I'm not sure if the plot justified his existence, and in the end this can make him come across as a bit of a Crystal Dragon Jesus. (Which to be fair, he is in the comics)

Honestly the thing I think I liked the most about this film was just seeing the Avengers be friends.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#31216: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:53:59 PM

[up] I take it that Ultron is in a position to return, then? (I really shouldn't be on here).

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31217: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:59:49 PM

No spoilers yet but how would you say Quick-Ass compares to DOFP Quicksilver?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31218: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:04:40 PM

I actually found him to be kind of eh. I thought the reviewers were exaggerating but he's really left in the dust (pun intended) by more interesting characters.

He does get some cool action scenes but they wisely opted not to try anything to one-up the DOFP scene.

edited 22nd Apr '15 8:05:04 PM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31219: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:42:03 PM

Whedon talks a little bit more about AOS and reiterates why the cast members don't actually appear in the movies.

“As far as I’m concerned, in this movie, Coulson’s dead. If you come back in the sequel and say Coulson’s alive, it’s like putting f***ing John Gielgud in the sequel to ‘Arthur.’ It mattered that he’s gone. It’s a different world now. And you have to run with that.”

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31220: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:59:36 PM

I've been starting to wonder recently if despite their best intentions the MCU and its tv shows might end up in a similar situation as Star Wars and its tv shows - like a "levels of canon" sort of situation.

Though given what we were told about the Defenders recently, its possible that that's only an issue with Agents of Shield, which does make a bit of sense: Since the very beginning, AOS has been about doing its own thing first and connecting to the rest of the universe second. Not that it's flagrantly defying the setting or anything, and it's gotten a lot better at that sort of thing since Season 2, but there are the occasional things that I wondered as I watched whether or not they can fly in the greater MCU - stuff that's big plotwise that the movies probably won't corroborate in the case that they would have to because they might not work in the long run (or because the films have luckily moved on from caring about those plot ponts).

Depending on what happens with Cap 3, how they dealt with HYDRA might be another sticking point in the coming years.

edited 22nd Apr '15 9:03:25 PM by KnownUnknown

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31221: Apr 22nd 2015 at 9:02:08 PM

So far the filmed stuff in the MCU has stayed consistent with each other, while the supplementary comics are sometimes overridden. So the MCU technically has only two levels of canon, compared to the old Star Wars EU which had four levels to decide what would get retconned and what would stay.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31222: Apr 22nd 2015 at 9:28:29 PM

Agent Carter seems pretty consistent with it too. Although I think that's already handled by the film department rather than Loeb's TV, plus most of the staff are the guys who already worked on the films.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31223: Apr 22nd 2015 at 10:50:41 PM

Daredevil likewise avoids problems entirely, mostly because it focuses on building on a niche that the the MCU has nothing in and probably won't for a while (I think another issue is that Ao S doesn't handle worldbuilding all that well). The other Netflix shows are probably going to be the same.

edited 22nd Apr '15 10:50:54 PM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#31225: Apr 22nd 2015 at 11:55:58 PM

They're getting the Spectacular Spider-Man people, right? And Josh Keaton is voicing Spidey, right?

Both of these things need to be true.

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