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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30876: Apr 15th 2015 at 12:37:27 PM

Looking at the sources on some of the other images I'm also finding Rodney Ramos as the artist for a lot of the other ones. Damn, all of this stuff looks great. And better yet, I think it would be neat if they released Park's art as variant posters since he's an actual comic artist and these are movies based on comics.

edited 15th Apr '15 12:38:51 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30877: Apr 15th 2015 at 12:56:00 PM

Mackie's description of Civil War is my fave.

It's a lot of fun stuff for me to do, but you know, it's Civil War, so it's like a big... civil war.

He also says despite the other Avengers, it's still a Captain America movie and Steve is still the main character.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30878: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:01:29 PM

Wait isn't he the guy who said Civil War was "Avengers 3.8" a while back? EDIT: D'oh the actual article says as much.

Anyway I'm still thinking/hoping that despite the large cast each one of the other Avengers will only have like 5-10 minutes of screentime each. Spider-Man will just a bit part and the real struggle will be how to not make his cameo a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment. It's characters like Crossbones, Bucky, Sharon, and Zemo I'm more concerned about right now because the details are so nebulous.

edited 15th Apr '15 1:05:05 PM by AlleyOop

Insano Mad Pinoy from At my laptop, refusing to waste time Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Mad Pinoy
#30879: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:02:09 PM

Wouldn't it be "Avengers 2.5" the same way Winter Soldier was "Avengers 1.5"?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#30880: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:06:02 PM

wild mass guessCivil War takes place after Infinity War Pt. 1 and a few other movies, thereby making an early Avengers 3.8 before Avengers 3. Darn Time Stone.wild mass guess

Insano Mad Pinoy from At my laptop, refusing to waste time Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Mad Pinoy
#30881: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:07:16 PM

Even so, wouldn't it be Avengers 3.5? How's the math working here?

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#30882: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:14:30 PM

The Captain America movies have consistently been the individual films most central to the plots of the Avengers films: the first one introduced the Tesseract, the second one took SHIELD out of the picture with major repercussions, and the third one will be dealing with the outfall of Age of Ultron.

The only really major element any of the other films introduced was Loki as the villain for The Avengers, and even in that case, for the purposes of watching The Avengers you don't need to know anything other than "he's Thor's evil brother".

(And yes, for me too the math works out to Civil War being "Avengers 2.5", not 3.anything.)

edited 15th Apr '15 1:15:22 PM by Galadriel

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30883: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:24:54 PM

I think that is more an accident, though. Captain America was the last one of the origin movies of phase one, meaning they had better figured out how to connect the movies by adding small elements to it at this point. And when the Avengers worked out better than Marvel expected, they developed the concept even further. But at this point it was too late to change much about Iron Man 3, and even though they did some rewrites for The Dark World, The Winter Soldier being scheduled later than those two allowed a better built up.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#30884: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:36:23 PM

Hey guys. So this thread somehow fell out of my watchlist so for some reason I thought everyone was just silent for like the past two months.

What I miss?

Oh, I see, the Civil War thing. Right. That. Still wish the third C. America movie was a pure C. America movie, I always figured if this whole Civil war thing was gonna happen it would be in an Avengers movie proper or... Any time but now. Like later when there are more supers established.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30885: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:41:38 PM

I'm glad that Civil War is as small as it is. Trying to be anything like the comics, or as all-encompassing as it was, is asking for trouble.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30886: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:51:44 PM

Who says that it will be small? Depending on how they write it, it might impact the TV shows, too.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30887: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:55:24 PM

Given the way Daredevil was done it's really unlikely it's going to affect the Netflix shows in a massive way. It might affect SHIELD but there's precedent for that.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#30888: Apr 15th 2015 at 1:58:28 PM

Civil War (in the comics) seems like a Cap story to me, with Iron Man as the antagonist/deuteragonist.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#30890: Apr 15th 2015 at 2:34:41 PM

God, this is a lot of clips I've missed out on and won't be able to see until Friday or Saturday. And promotion images. And News.

I hear we actually got a peek at Cage...

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30891: Apr 15th 2015 at 2:34:55 PM

[up][up] Interesting perspective from Cap.

edited 15th Apr '15 2:35:09 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#30892: Apr 15th 2015 at 2:49:23 PM

Yeah, I hadn't realized the parallels between the twins and Cap. I'm glad he pointed them out.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#30893: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:04:05 PM

In the clip of the Avengers talking to Ultron, Cap told them that they could still walk away. He seems to have some sympathy for them.

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#30894: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:41:26 PM

He probably has sympathy for anyone Hydra tortures. What with his best friends experiences.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#30895: Apr 15th 2015 at 8:50:10 PM

And because he's a super-chill guy.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#30897: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:05:15 PM

Knows you work for Hydra, still invites you to the BBQ anyway.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#30898: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:11:34 PM

Best friend is a murderous unfeeling assassin, Lets friend punch him in the face over and over again.

Fighting tougher than usual pirate, Puts away shield to make the fight fairer.

edited 15th Apr '15 9:12:21 PM by Tuckerscreator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30899: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:17:53 PM

The difference is that Bucky's was nonconsensual compared to the twins, so that will be an interesting defense for Bucky if other characters try to give him shit for his assassin past. That subtext is pretty interesting though, and I wonder if there are other scenes like this which gain a lot of extra impact from watching The Winter Soldier. I'm hoping for Widow's characterization to follow through from it.

edited 15th Apr '15 9:18:41 PM by AlleyOop

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#30900: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:57:08 PM

Widow's probably going to give him some shit for shooting her on two separate occasions but it will probably be mostly friendly ribbing.

She just seems to be a rather cheeky girl in general.

In reference to Bucky being less consensual than the twins. Yes Bucky was brainwashed while the twins aren't but in fairness to them they are a couple of confused kids who are being taken advantage of by greater powers while being under the impression that they are heroic revolutionaries standing up for the little guy. They're not evil they just have too much confidence in their (laughably awful) judge of character. Thats a fixable personal flaw.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins

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