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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#30676: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:15:18 PM

I still hope for Yellowjacket to have some ties with A.I.M. It would make quite a lot fo sense, given that Comics!A.I.M is already associated with a bee motif.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#30677: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:17:25 PM

Anybody else still expecting Pym to be evil?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30678: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:23:12 PM

  • raises hand* I am totally convinced that he has ulterior motives and the movie will end with Lang fighting his former mentor.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#30679: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:24:09 PM

Why will Hank be evil? Is it cause he slapped his wife once?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30680: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:26:26 PM

He slapped Janet out of the MCU.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#30682: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:45:17 PM

What an asshole.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30683: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:45:41 PM

Anybody else still expecting Pym to be evil?

When he was first cast one site claimed Michael Douglas was playing the villain. I chalk that up to someone being told Yellowjacket was the villain, doing a quick google search to see Yellowjacket is named Hank Pym in the comics, and then going "Oh Michael Douglas is Hank Pym! He's secretly the bad guy!"

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#30684: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:54:05 PM

Gethknight: Because Hank Pym having a split personality disorder and being evil when he first becomes Yellowjacket is one of the more well known stories involving him.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#30685: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:56:54 PM

I knew next to nothing about Hank Pym when I started watching the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon, so when it got to the Yellowjacket episode, I was all like, "What the-? That came out of freaking nowhere! AND WHY IS HE DRESSED LIKE A BUMBLE BEE? HE LOOKS STUPID NOW!"

edited 13th Apr '15 2:57:20 PM by spashthebandragon

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#30686: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:58:09 PM

Hank's been through a LOT of identities in the desperate mid-life crisis that is his superhero career.

At least they didn't do the one where Wasp died so, in response, he became the Wasp.

edited 13th Apr '15 2:58:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#30687: Apr 13th 2015 at 3:29:24 PM

Pretty good trailer. The "breaking into houses and stealing stuff" gag kinda rubs me the wrong way, though.

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#30688: Apr 13th 2015 at 3:33:57 PM

@spashthebandragon: In fairness, Hank wasn't exactly sane when he did that.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30690: Apr 13th 2015 at 3:37:09 PM

It'd be interesting if they made Pym Morally Ambiguous but not actually evil - he might ultimately force Scott to fight him, and they might split in the end based on different ideals, but Pym wouldn't be villainous and could even give Scott his blessing.

The MCU rarely does that level of ambiguity with antagonists, however, so I wouldn't be on it. On the other hand, with Bucky or even arguably the way they treated Odin, you never know.

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#30691: Apr 13th 2015 at 3:38:13 PM

I never undertood why Ant-Man keeps his strength despite being so tiny. Is it because he gains the strength of an ant? Or is it just lazy writing?

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#30692: Apr 13th 2015 at 3:43:00 PM

That is strange.

The trailer said super strength which makes me wonder if they are explaining it as gaining the comparative strength of a spider ant (no idea why he doesn't have this at normal size though).

However, I think the usual explanation is more to the effect he's essentially weightless but has the same muscle mass- I guess the best comparison would be to how you are stronger when under water- it has to do with physics (which I don't understand).

edited 13th Apr '15 3:45:08 PM by Hodor2

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#30693: Apr 13th 2015 at 3:46:48 PM

The idea is that he gains the proportional strength of an ant. The average human can move roughly twice their weight. Ants can do five times that.

edited 13th Apr '15 3:47:43 PM by Kostya

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#30694: Apr 13th 2015 at 3:50:47 PM

Pretty good trailer. The "breaking into houses and stealing stuff" gag kinda rubs me the wrong way, though.

I found it rather funny.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30695: Apr 13th 2015 at 4:14:45 PM

[up]x9 Funny you should mention that because I just ran into this.

@How strong is Ant-Man while tiny: In the comics Scott hitting someone while small makes them react as if hit by a normal sized man. Pym and Janet(and Clint for a time) did more advanced stuff with size but Scott mostly just shrunk and punched.

edited 13th Apr '15 4:35:58 PM by LordofLore

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#30696: Apr 13th 2015 at 4:24:52 PM

[up][up][up] Well, according to my sources *cough internet cough* an leafcutter ant can lift about 50 times its own body weight. If Hank/Scott could gain that ability without needing to shinrk, he could very well lift at least 9000 lbs or 4 tons (asuming Paul Rudd weights around 180 lbs) which means he'd be stronger than Cap.

Then again, the reason ants can do this is beacuase scaling. An human sized ant would gain more mass, yes, but not necessarily more strength. Heck, it probably couldn't even move. Thank you, Square-Cube Law!

edited 13th Apr '15 4:27:57 PM by zsax

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30698: Apr 13th 2015 at 4:38:11 PM

Perlman is the one behind the eternally delayed Gamora comic IIRC. Pretty much all the other Bendis!Guardians will have books before her first issue is out.

edited 13th Apr '15 4:42:17 PM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30699: Apr 13th 2015 at 4:49:44 PM

As Kevin Smith and Damon Lindelof have shown, it's usually a bad idea to hire screenwriters with busy schedules to write monthly comics.

edited 13th Apr '15 4:49:51 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30700: Apr 13th 2015 at 5:00:13 PM

While Got G wasn't my favorite MCU film, I'd still say it was very solid nonetheless, and considering the universal acclaim it got Nicole Perlman is definitely a good choice. Never seen any of Le Fauve's other work though.


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