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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#30651: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:49:41 AM

Hope punching Scott Lang in the face. [lol]

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30652: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:24:00 AM

Okay... so, does anyone else think that the surprising amount of exposure Yellowjacket and the guy behind the suit is getting in the trailers might mean there's another, more important threat or twist that we're not being told about?

Cause atm, it feels like they're telling us too much.

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#30653: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:25:56 AM

[up] So what you're saying is that we might have another Mandarin situation on our hands?

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#30654: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:27:13 AM

[up][up]Please don't tell me you mean Hank Pym is Yellowjacket.

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#30655: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:32:25 AM

There WAS the LEGO set that had Hank Pym in a black suit resembling Yellowjacket. Sure, take LEGO set's with a grain of salt, since movie Loki did not have a "Lokimobile", but still...

edited 13th Apr '15 11:35:03 AM by Tuckerscreator

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30656: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:33:32 AM

[up][up][up] I... guess? It's really consistent with most of their movies - with Iron Man 1, you saw Tony blow up tanks and you might've figured Stane was evil, but you never saw Iron Monger. Winter Soldier trailers showed you the eponymous character and everything he's capable of, but you never saw HYDRA. Guardians showed us Ronan and gave us the gist of what he wanted, but never outright showed us much more than that.

Here, we get Yellowjacket, we get to see who's behind the suit, we're given the gist of what he wants (and can infer why), we actually see him execute villainy and get what he wants, we get to see him suiting up and going after the heroes, and what looks like the big climactic battle between Ant-Man and Yellowjacket.

If all of this is in the trailer, there's something else we're not being told. It's possible that in the end the fight against Yellowjacket might be Act 1, with Yellowjacket himself being a Disc-One Final Boss.

Plus, Marvel's done the type of villain Yellowjacket seems to be three times already.

edited 13th Apr '15 11:38:11 AM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30657: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:38:51 AM

Remember that the first footage we got about the movie was a Ant-Man knocking two guards out while wearing the suit that Pym has in the LEGO set. People thought this was Scott before getting his own costume. It wouldn't surprise me if the original script had to be changed after all the troubles and the movie is actually like we see it in the trailers.

edited 13th Apr '15 11:45:55 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30658: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:44:44 AM

The Lego set seems to indicate Pym suits up in the final battle and helps Scott fight Yellowjacket.

And more recently Feige seemed to indicate Hank might be involved in Civil War somehow so I don't think they'd go that route.

edited 13th Apr '15 11:52:36 AM by comicwriter

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#30659: Apr 13th 2015 at 11:58:53 AM

I was personally thinking they plan on having the Wasp make an appearance, and want to keep it a surprise.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#30660: Apr 13th 2015 at 12:05:36 PM

If the Wasp doesn't show up I will be extremely cross.

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#30662: Apr 13th 2015 at 12:17:25 PM

..."Lokimobile"?

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#30663: Apr 13th 2015 at 12:22:07 PM

He needs something to keep up with the Thanoscopter.

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#30664: Apr 13th 2015 at 12:25:41 PM

It's now known as Thanos' Sky Chariot.

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#30665: Apr 13th 2015 at 12:32:27 PM

Feige had this to say on how Ant-Man relates to the larger MCU.

It’s not [an after thought]. The truth is the phases mean a lot to me and some people but…Civil War is the start of Phase Three. It just is. And Ant-Man is a different kind of culmination of Phase Two because it very much is in the MCU. You meet new characters and you learn about Hank Pym and his lineage with the MCU over the years. But at the same time, it also picks up the thread of Age of Ultron in terms of heroes – major heroes, Avengers – coming from unexpected places. Whether it’s prison in the case of Scott Lang or being a very disgruntled Sokovian Twins as Wanda and Pietro are in Age of Ultron. And in that way it connects a lot.

Also, Hank Pym’s attitude towards Avengers, towards S.H.I.E.L.D, and kind of the cinematic universe in general, is much more informed after the events of Age of Ultron, and in a certain way, before the events of Civil War.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30666: Apr 13th 2015 at 12:37:07 PM

The way he's putting it makes it sound like they're planning Ant-Man as kind of the last pure and straightforward superhero origin before shit gets real.

edited 13th Apr '15 12:37:14 PM by KnownUnknown

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#30667: Apr 13th 2015 at 12:40:27 PM

He makes it sound like Ant-Man is totally an afterthought despite his assertion to the contrary.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30668: Apr 13th 2015 at 1:27:38 PM

[up][up]And yet he said that Captain Marvel would be an origin story just a few days ago.

[up]This is my take on it also.

Edit:[down]That I can agree with. I wonder if having it be Thomas instead of a normal train counts as product placement? Who owns Thomas?

edited 13th Apr '15 1:30:20 PM by LordofLore

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30669: Apr 13th 2015 at 1:28:15 PM

I feel largely the same way as Lordoflore about Got G and Quill though I don't hate him so much as feel indifferent about him. Some of the Antman jokes rubbed me the wrong way but the Thomas bit at the end was pretty good.

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#30670: Apr 13th 2015 at 1:44:44 PM

The thing about Ant-Man is, he's Marvel's Aquaman. The wife-punch is his Superfriends. It was a thing that happened one time that it's not fair to judge him by, but will never stop being the butt of jokes because, ultimately, people aren't really making fun of him because of that, it's just the easy joke to make; they're making fun of him because he's Ant-Man. The wife punch is just the punchline; the setup is the fact that he's Ant-Man.

He's Honey I Shrunk The Kids trying to be taken seriously on the same level as Thor, Captain America, and Spider-Man. He's too ridiculous to be taken seriously yet not ridiculous enough to be hilariously awesome, like a raccoon with a minigun. Ultimately, like Aquaman, he's got his niche fanbase that will defend to the death that no, really, this guy is totally awesome if you give him a chance, but most people won't give him that chance because, seriously, he's Ant-Man.

Which as an aside, is also the answer to the age old question, "Spider-Man and Reed Richards hit their wives too, and they got to live it down; why can't Ant-Man?" Ant-Man doesn't get to live it down because Spider-Man and Reed Richards aren't Ant-Man.

edited 13th Apr '15 1:45:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30671: Apr 13th 2015 at 1:50:27 PM

[up][up][up] Given the effect Civil War is touted to have in the MCU, Captain Marvel is likely going to be seriously affected by that. Plus, Capt. Marvel's role in The 'Verse is pretty wide, so it's unlikely to be a straight-up self contained story like Ant-Man is apparently going to be.

edited 13th Apr '15 1:50:37 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30672: Apr 13th 2015 at 1:58:58 PM

To reiterate what EW already said from their viewing of the movie, no Spider-Man appearance in Age of Ultron, says Feige.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30673: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:05:33 PM

I honestly think that Ant-man lends itself better to the movies than to the comics. Being small looks so much cooler in motion. Plus, if you make him a scientist, he is nothing special, because a lot of heroes are also scientist. But a thief? yeah, that's rarer and fits his special abilities way better.

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#30675: Apr 13th 2015 at 2:13:41 PM

the antman and yellowjacket suit look badass


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