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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30626: Apr 13th 2015 at 7:13:22 AM

Loved the cameo at the end. T. is really terrifying from this perspective.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#30628: Apr 13th 2015 at 7:51:37 AM

At least the comedic moments look spot-on. An "epic" clash between two incredible shrinking men would seem laughably awkward to most normal-sized people.

edited 13th Apr '15 7:51:51 AM by nervmeister

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#30629: Apr 13th 2015 at 7:57:39 AM

Liked it better than the earlier trailers, but still seems really tonally inconsistent.

Nice touch in explaining why Scott needs to learn to fight.

One thing I'm wondering about which will presumably be better explained in the movie itself- Hank's concern over the misuse of the Ant Man suit seems kind of weird. Like it would make sense if this was the Earths Mightiest Heroes Hank, who was a pacifist (and thus would not be cool with his tech being used for combat), but here it seems like Hank has this fear of With Great Power Comes Great Insanity- which strikes me as kind of overblown for such a silly power.

I mean I could see an issue with someone untrustworthy being given the suit/particles and then going rogue, but that's not exactly a dire threat to the safety of the world.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30630: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:03:05 AM

Also the joke about the name is reminding me of Gotg and Peter's humor which I didn't find funny at all.

Well the MCU isn't really big on codenames anyway, and Ant-Man DOES sound silly unless you're already familiar with the comics. I assumed the joke was for the audience's benefit.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#30631: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:03:45 AM

[up][up] It's not too much of a stretch to think this Hank would have a problem with some corporate asshole mass producing his tech, equipping it with death lasers, and recklessly selling it to anyone who can cough up the dough (PM Cs, terrorist cells, HYDRA, etc.)

edited 13th Apr '15 8:04:49 AM by nervmeister

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30632: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:11:41 AM

Well yeah, but by the looks of things that's the start of the/one of the final battle/s of the movie so you would think they would've made fun of the name earlier. I don't know, it just reminds me way too much of Quill's personality which I grew to hate(doesn't help that I kind of really hate "look at me I'm funny" heroes after the overflow of them in the MCU).

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#30633: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:14:32 AM

[up][up]

That's a really good point. I was thinking of it in the Iron Man framework and the emphasis on it being a bad thing for the U.S. government to have the technology. It is definitely a concern that if for sale on the (black) market, it could wind up in the hands of some dangerous people (just imagine a terrorist shrinking a bomb so it could fit inside of a battery powered toothbrush).

That being said, if I recall correctly, the prequel comic did present this idea of the Pym particles not being good for one's sanity (right?) and I'm not sure what I think about treating the technology like the Super Soldier Serum (i.e. that things will go horribly wrong unless it's entrusted to someone pure of heart).

[up] Hank does seem a lot like Quill, but since I liked Quill, I'm not too concerned by that.

edited 13th Apr '15 8:16:54 AM by Hodor2

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#30634: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:15:03 AM

I'm not convinced this movie is going to sell particularly well. It'll probably be a perfectly serviceable movie, but not necessarily make the record-shattering numbers people expect from the MCU, mainly because it's Ant-Man.

I feel like the movie entered production because they wanted to make origin movies for each founding Avenger way back in Phase I, and finished production because it'd been in production for so long that there was no sense throwing it out. I don't get the feel that anyone, at any point on the project, went, "You know what's a great idea for a movie? Ant-Man. There is a story audiences can get behind!"

From the trailers, they've done a fantastic job with the project, but I still think it's going to wind up being the Incredible Hulk of Phase III: a pretty decent film Overshadowed by Awesome, leading to critics calling it "The moment the superhero bubble burst" and proclaiming doom for the superhero genre, until Captain America: Civil War promptly shuts everyone up.

edited 13th Apr '15 8:15:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30635: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:24:08 AM

Something that kind of surprised me: Marvel is hoping for a 200+ million opening day for Ao U but IIRC Avengers 1 had a 300+ million opening day. Are they opening later in more countries this time around? I know F&F7 broke almost all the opening day numbers Marvel had apart from the original Avengers just a few days ago but I don't think they opened all around the world at the same time.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30636: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:27:42 AM

Ant-man is not the only new superhero scheduled, even if he might be the last one who gets a complete origin story. I honestly don't see the concern. Unless the first reviews are really bad, I think enough people will watch it. It doesn't have to pull Age of Ultron numbers, it just have to be a good investment. And as far as I remember, none of the Marvel movies were a financial bomb so far, not even The Incredible Hulk. True, Ant-man hasn't the same pull on its own, but as part of the MCU it will be interesting enough for enough people.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30637: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:29:02 AM

[up][up]They always go by domestic numbers. Otherwise it wouldn't be comparable.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#30638: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:37:45 AM

I enjoyed the train bit.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#30639: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:39:40 AM

I think if they play up the heist angle of the film as opposed to the standard "fight bad guys" rabble that dominated most of the stage 1 Marvel films, it should be a breath of fresh air for audiences.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30640: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:47:28 AM

A list of the easter eggs in Daredevil.

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#30641: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:58:54 AM

[up][up]And they need to show off their best visual trick more often. That unequivocally works. It looks very dynamic.

edited 13th Apr '15 8:59:23 AM by edvedd

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#30642: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:02:45 AM

Goddamn, that's a great Ant-Man trailer.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30643: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:23:32 AM

So the drone that goes with Hulkbuster is called V.E.R.O.N.I.C.A.

Someone at the press conference asked why and they said it's because Bruce used to be in love with a Betty, and Veronica is the opposite of Betty.

Amazing.

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#30644: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:25:13 AM

That was a good trailer. I'm looking forward to it, if only for the actors. It has a great cast, but I don't expect there to be an Ant-Man 2 at any point. Still looks like a good balance of humor and serious themes.

I'm confidant in it being at least a mild success. Certainly not a massive dent in the genre like Batman and Robin or something.

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#30645: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:38:49 AM

Ant-Man has the funniest trailer I've seen in a while. Thomas was the absolute last thing I was expecting, and that whole bit - especially the "plink" as he derails from normal perspective - was gold.

Colour me excited.

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#30647: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:44:17 AM

Geeze, are they just gonna give us the entire movie through trailers?

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#30648: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:45:06 AM

Also, not only was the Ant-Man trailer funny, but it actually made me think a movie about a guy with the power to shrink looks cool.

Props, Marvel.

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HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#30649: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:50:15 AM

"A hostile alien army came out of a hole from space."

That line is hilarious out of context. grin

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#30650: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:01:48 AM

The Ant-Man trailer was pretty cool. I'm actually considering seeing the movie in theatres now!

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