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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30426: Apr 9th 2015 at 10:51:25 AM

The Junior novelation (which adapts roughly the first 30-45 minutes) is out and some spoilers are across the web.

I'll not post any others but it seems the major one connecting this to Infinity War is Early on in the film, Scarlet Witch uses her powers to show Tony his worst fear, which is the Avengers dead in space after being killed by (presumably) Thanos. When he gets back home this pushes him to aggressively try to activate and perfect Ultron and incorporate Loki's scepter. He is still suffering from the anxiety and paranoia seen in Iron Man 3 and is terrified that the aliens are inevitably going to come back.

So his major motivation for Ultron and the Iron Legion is his belief that something terrible is on the horizon, and that it will be too much for the Avengers, as they exist now, to deal with it.

I wonder how this will factor into Civil War.

edited 9th Apr '15 10:52:22 AM by comicwriter

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30427: Apr 9th 2015 at 10:59:27 AM

[up] Huh. Interesting.

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30428: Apr 9th 2015 at 11:09:06 AM

Unless the AOS spinoff is a miniseries like Agent Carter I doubt there's much point trying to reach an audience within an audience like that.

[up][up] I'm simultaneously both glad and annoyed that Tony is still suffering from his PTSD after Avengers. Glad because it seems a bit cheap to resolve it all within that film through what seems like Epiphany Therapy among other things, especially when The Winter Soldier stressed the exact opposite point with Steve and Sam's entourage, plus it would be a bit trivializing of real life PTSD which isn't nearly that easy to fix. A little annoyed because it seems like less and less of Tony's character development in that film seems to be holding up so what was the point of it all then?

edited 9th Apr '15 11:21:28 AM by AlleyOop

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#30429: Apr 9th 2015 at 11:25:10 AM

So taking this new information into account I'm predicting Tony's actions during Civil War will be about trying to force all the various superheroes to band together so they have a shot at stopping Thanos.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#30430: Apr 9th 2015 at 11:29:09 AM

Cho. Is. Gorgeous.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30431: Apr 9th 2015 at 11:43:01 AM

I hope they learn from their (mis)use of Fan Bingbing in IM 3 and incorporate her into the plot properly and without turning her into a walking Big-Lipped Alligator Moment or thinly veiled advertisement vehicle.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30432: Apr 9th 2015 at 11:45:29 AM

@Alleyoop: I never thought Tony was supposed to be over his problems in Iron Man 3. Just that he was willing to try to work through them instead of just putting a bandaid on the problem. Granted, talking to Banner instead of an actual psychologist is a baby step but at least he's talking to someone.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#30433: Apr 9th 2015 at 12:42:43 PM

As for Cho, I wouldn't worry about her. She's there specifically to court the Asian box office so I can't imagine they'd introduce a single Asian character into the team and then kill her off.
You would think so, but the default purpose of any black character in a genre film for years was to die midway through, so.

Everyone I would be interested in seeing in a spinoff is a character I don't want to leave Ao S to do it.

Like Skye. Or Bobbi. Or Hunter.

Oh, yes, absolutely give Hunter a spin-off so I don't have to watch him anymore.

For all of Ultron's hateboner for humanity, he's always been a very human character, with all the associated foibles. At least that's his characterization in the comics anyway.
Didn't Whedon say in that You Tube video that "he thinks he's doing the logical robot thing but really he's just acting out of rage"?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#30434: Apr 9th 2015 at 12:44:59 PM

[up][up][up] Good thing Fan Bingbing was awesome as Blink in Days of Future Past.

edited 9th Apr '15 12:45:17 PM by higherbrainpattern

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#30435: Apr 9th 2015 at 12:49:45 PM

[up][up] Ultron's basic characterization is that of psychotic petulant teenager lashing out. He is Frankenstein's Monster without the Freudian Excuse. His entire motivation can be summed up succinctly in three words.

"FUCK YOU, DAD."

edited 9th Apr '15 12:54:08 PM by Nightwire

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30436: Apr 9th 2015 at 12:52:41 PM

[up] There's apparently a scene where he meets Klaue and both are actually very cordial towards one another, but Ultron then FLIPS THE FUCK OUT when Klaue says that Ultron's personality reminds him of a younger Tony.

So very much a petulant teen. Made of vibranium.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#30437: Apr 9th 2015 at 12:53:37 PM

[up]Vibranium-coated teens are the worst kind of teens.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30438: Apr 9th 2015 at 1:14:24 PM

Daredevil is coming tomorrow!!! Anybody psyched?! Also, I've kinda decided to vow to not see the red suit for the sake of surprise. I almost saw it on IGN but I avoided making out the details.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#30439: Apr 9th 2015 at 1:17:15 PM

Yeah, I'm excited! I haven't had Netflix for a while now, but I'm tempted to sign up today just so I can start watching Daredevil at midnight. tongue

edited 9th Apr '15 2:01:02 PM by higherbrainpattern

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#30440: Apr 9th 2015 at 1:17:18 PM

[up][up]IT'S RED WITH DEVIL HORNS!

Ha! Spoiled it for you.

edited 9th Apr '15 1:17:37 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30443: Apr 9th 2015 at 2:16:40 PM

IT'S RED WITH DEVIL HORNS! Ha! Spoiled it for you.

(Covers ears) LA LA LA LA LA! Not Listening!

edited 9th Apr '15 2:17:50 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#30444: Apr 9th 2015 at 2:18:40 PM

[up][up][up]

Apparently midnight Pacific Time. So 3 am Friday if you are on the East Coast.

edited 9th Apr '15 2:18:51 PM by Falrinn

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#30445: Apr 9th 2015 at 3:26:26 PM

Do people seriously think Helen Cho is going to die? The MCU doesn't just introduce characters and kill them off for no reason like that.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30446: Apr 9th 2015 at 3:32:49 PM

Well, the flims don't anyway.

Not that, should she die in the movie, it would necessarily be for no reason.

edited 9th Apr '15 3:34:06 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#30447: Apr 9th 2015 at 3:52:30 PM

[up]Even if they have a reason I have a hard time believing it will be a good one. Why bother introducing her if you just kill her immediately? The fact that she shares a last name and ethnicity with Amadeus Cho just makes it even less likely.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#30449: Apr 9th 2015 at 4:02:57 PM

Man, he's really about to punch the shit out of that... chair?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30450: Apr 9th 2015 at 4:19:38 PM

Die, Chair, Die!

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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