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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#30327: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:39:31 AM

Popping in for a quick question!

I saw you guys talking about the Daredevil series coming up the other day, but I was thinking about something else and wasn't really paying attention, but on the poster on the series page it says ALL episodes are available beginning on the 10th.

...?

[down] Neftlix is beyond such things! [lol] Thanks.

edited 7th Apr '15 12:03:05 PM by yellowturtle

Crow: There's a plot?
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30328: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:48:59 AM

Its a Netflix series. They drop the whole thing at the same time since they're not beholden to tv scheduling.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30329: Apr 7th 2015 at 12:37:35 PM

I'm surprised they don't drop it in two or three instalments to ramp up conversation about it. Game of Thrones benefits massively from how easy it is to discuss it on message boards such as this one.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30330: Apr 7th 2015 at 12:43:16 PM

@Tobiasdrake

You just summarized every instance of fridging ever. Why did the villain stuff the hero's girlfriend into the fridge? Because it would hurt the hero. This does not disprove that this instance was an example of fridging, because this is the precise definition of fridging.

Actually, that sounds more like the definition of the Collateral Angst supertrope. It becomes fridging when it's done for cheap shock value as opposed to having the development and serious, long-lasting ramifications on the plot and characterization such an event should have.

While I agree that Gwen Stacy's death currently does count as fridging, we just had this conversation earlier, people seem to confuse the term for meaning any and every instance where the female love interest dies and the hero feels bad about it (or not even in the case of Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter at the end of TFA) when the definition of the trope is more about the execution and double standard.

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#30331: Apr 7th 2015 at 1:26:32 PM

[up][up]I'm sure some executive will figure that out eventually.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#30332: Apr 7th 2015 at 1:37:57 PM

I think Superior Foes of Spider-Man had a great deconstruction of fridging- specifically how it exists to create angst in the hero and build up the villain's cred.

The latter isn't shown in the panel, but in the issue Boomerang complains about Bullseye who is his Always Someone Better, and some of his comments are to the effect that Bullseye's reputation rests on murdering Daredevil's girlfriend(s?).

Incidentally, Boomerang himself committed one of the rare gender inversions- decapitating the husband of Jackpot with a boomerang (obviously).

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30334: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:00:40 PM

[up][up]Bullseye is most famous for stabbing Elektra, btw.

And now at last:

Lord of Lore's list of Stark's 616!Iron Man suits from Model/Mark 40 to the latest one:

Oh and just for fun, have a look at Avengers Mansion and how Asgard looked the first time it was seen in the comics.

edited 7th Apr '15 3:34:10 PM by LordofLore

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30335: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:06:51 PM

Asgard has a shopping center? Nice

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30336: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:08:02 PM

Why does the hulk buster have a gatling gun? Bullets are rarely ever Hulk proof.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30337: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:12:44 PM

[up][up] Inside lies the mighty Food Court of Champions.

edited 7th Apr '15 3:13:11 PM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30338: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:16:46 PM

[up][up]It isn't actually one. 616!Tony's Hulkbusters(his name for them) are Models 14, 32, 37 and 50. Model 44 is just a really large suit with tons of weapons(think a bigger War Machine)that can briefly fight the Hulk(it got wrecked after expending its weapons IIRC).

edited 7th Apr '15 3:21:00 PM by LordofLore

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30339: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:35:38 PM

Yeah, I think Model 42's my favorite out of that list.

Speaking of, I can't remember what was the general consensus of my idea that Iron Man's armor in Civil War could be colored like the Model 42 (black with yellow) as an "in mourning" thing after what happens in AOU. Was it mostly yay or nay?

edited 7th Apr '15 3:35:57 PM by TargetmasterJoe

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30340: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:05:12 PM

[up] I like it personally. Would contribute to the Darker and Edgier feel I'd assume Civil War would have.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30341: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:06:17 PM

Also help make Iron Man look more villainous?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30342: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:18:59 PM

I'd rather they not make Iron Man look villainous when this is their opportunity to do things right and present Civil War as a Grey-and-Gray Morality event like it should've been written as.

edited 7th Apr '15 4:19:34 PM by AlleyOop

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#30343: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:43:06 PM

I think my favorite thing about Boomerang and Bullseye in Superior Foes is that, in a subversion, when Boomerang finally gets his chance to step up, Bullseye just easily dispatches him.

My various fanfics.
TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#30344: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:46:41 PM

In retrospect, Tony has made some awful fashion choices. I do like how Iron Man actually gets regular costume changes though.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30346: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:23:37 PM

Wow, that looks impressive. It's gone from Man In A Suit Of Armour, to evoking Man Is A Suit Of Armour.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#30347: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:39:58 PM

I kind of miss the Mk 38.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#30348: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:50:23 PM

[up]x5 It wasn't even really Bullseye. It was a robot. Boomerang's not even worthy of the honor of being killed by the real Bullseye...

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#30349: Apr 7th 2015 at 8:49:36 PM

So one criticism I've been hearing about how Marvel does their films is that they don't really let the director have their own stamp on the film they are making, instead constraining them in order for it to fit the bigger whole. Like, while others like DC give the director the ability to have ownership over the franchise, Marvel prefers having them as sort of "contracts", and they've even begun hiring directors who are mainly known for low-budget films and television, since they are more easily controllable.

Thoughts? I mean, both Iron Man 2 and Thor The Dark World were heavily influenced by the studio, and are generally considered their weakest films (Jon Faverau had such a bad experience with IM 2 that he left). And with Edgar Wright leaving Ant Man since his style didn't mesh with the rest of the MCU, it paints a rather constrained environment where the studio, not the directors or writers, make all the calls, leading them all to not have their own personal stamp.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#30350: Apr 7th 2015 at 8:56:00 PM

Well considering they're doing a cinematic universe, they need directors whose visions fit with the overall scheme of things. It's still Kevin Feige's project first and foremost. Other people just have parts of it.

Why did Kenneth Branaugh not return, again?


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