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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30301: Apr 6th 2015 at 5:58:14 PM

I don't want to be considered annoying, but I feel like some previous questions are getting buried, so to avoid that I'm just gonna quote them here:

Is it wrong/annoying that I still want to see Emma Stone as Black Cat?

Is anyone hoping a hypothetical Guardians of the Galaxy 3 movie will essentially be a mishmash of elements from Annihilation and Annihilation: Conquest and have the Guardians go toe-to-toe with Ultron? (Based on past experiences, it's apparent that it's hard to kill an A.I., so I doubt we'll see Ultron only once.)

edited 6th Apr '15 6:01:12 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30302: Apr 6th 2015 at 6:01:40 PM

Only if they don't use it as a reason to kill Moondragon. Who will totally be in GOTG by that point. Clearly.

edited 6th Apr '15 6:01:55 PM by Bocaj

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Darling.
#30303: Apr 7th 2015 at 2:43:14 AM

I'm sure this was posted somewhere before, but whatever. You can see Quicksilver flash by in the last part now.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#30304: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:50:25 AM

You can see Quicksilver flash by in the last part now.
..Was that a pun? tongue

edited 7th Apr '15 5:51:00 AM by higherbrainpattern

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30306: Apr 7th 2015 at 7:36:00 AM

So when's the big Avengers-news on GMA gonna be?

I can't find out because I literally don't have ABC. sad

edited 7th Apr '15 7:58:40 AM by TargetmasterJoe

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#30307: Apr 7th 2015 at 8:29:07 AM

I dunno, we've been hyped before. Could just be not much.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30308: Apr 7th 2015 at 9:11:26 AM

I always thought Sam's choice of Anne Hathaway for Black Cat was the purrfect choice, but then she got cast as Catwoman. Emma Stone seems so wrong to me; she's far too down-to-earth an actress.

I'm not sure what could be announced about now. Possibly something to do with Civil War considering some set photos are beginning to slip out.

edited 7th Apr '15 9:13:47 AM by Whowho

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30309: Apr 7th 2015 at 9:28:03 AM

Yeah for Black Cat I think I see someone more flamboyant and theatrical.

Though of course the big stumbling block is to somehow not have her come across as a rip-off of Catwoman.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#30311: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:16:17 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13125974270A57100500&page=1211#30273

I mistyped. I think the death seemed like a more realistic consequence. When you are writing you can either let the story unfold naturally moving from logical point to logical or you can twist the story into knots to come up with a predetermined ending. My big example would be 52 and countdown. 52 followed a logical series of events and made an awesome story. Countdown had a plan and failed in it's execution. I'm not saying you can't do a planned story well but it takes a lot of skill to do right. 52 failed in it's mission statement but still made a great story.

Regarding the death of Gwen Stacy, I would rather see new characters and new stories. When you adapt a work, you kind of have to use the most powerful parts of the story unless you do something completely new with it. Take Spider-Gwen for example. Fantastic idea. Then you have the story that had her sleeping with Norman Osborne. Good fucking god why?

Reading the old stories I felt that Gwen had her own story going on away from the cast and her return was more to make peace with Peter and her father's death. She had spent most of the previous comic year in France with family. I don't even know if she was a love interest at that point. She wasn't even the focus of the issue it happened. The goblin took her from the hospital where everyone was visiting Harry who had just had an overdose.

Why did Norman pick her? The writer thought the villain would pick the person most likely to hurt Peter Parker. Which would be Gwen.

I think that boiling the whole thing down to a single death or idea does the story itself a disservice.

I think the argument against seems to be in regards to her own agency. I think the character had agency it just had nothing to do with the plot at hand.

I'm not for fridging. To put it simply there are better ways of providing angst than killing a character off, but this one isn't a straight example.

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#30312: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:20:42 AM

Legitimate question, not to shame anyone, but how many days ago did this talk of Gwen Stacy start?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30313: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:20:52 AM

Why did Norman pick her? The writer thought the villain would pick the person most likely to hurt Peter Parker. Which would be Gwen.

What about Aunt May?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#30314: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:22:53 AM

My god, brilliant! Without her, there will be no one to make Peter wheatcakes and he'll sicken and die

edited 7th Apr '15 10:24:54 AM by Bocaj

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#30315: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:22:59 AM

I think she was mostly out of his life by then.

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#30316: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:23:25 AM

Why did Norman pick her? The writer thought the villain would pick the person most likely to hurt Peter Parker. Which would be Gwen.

You just summarized every instance of fridging ever. Why did the villain stuff the hero's girlfriend into the fridge? Because it would hurt the hero. This does not disprove that this instance was an example of fridging, because this is the precise definition of fridging.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30317: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:24:22 AM

I always thought Sam's choice of Anne Hathaway for Black Cat was the purrfect choice, but then she got cast as Catwoman. Emma Stone seems so wrong to me; she's far too down-to-earth an actress.

"Down-to-earth"? What do you mean by that?

edited 7th Apr '15 10:24:41 AM by TargetmasterJoe

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#30318: Apr 7th 2015 at 10:30:21 AM

Here is the panel of her Death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Gwen_Stacy_Died

Read the trope page. I just did.

edited 7th Apr '15 10:31:14 AM by lackofsense

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#30319: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:10:00 AM

[up]x7: It's hard to track, since it comes up, then drops off, then come backs up, in a loop. It also happens in other Marvel and Spider-Man threads, so if you also look at those the Gwen Stacy stuff is being discussed constantly.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#30321: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:19:19 AM

My guess: She-Hulk

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#30322: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:22:49 AM

Janet van Dyne would be a good lead in to Antman

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30323: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:23:40 AM

[up] I believe you mean Hope van Dyne?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30324: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:25:14 AM

Nope, Janet back from dead/actually the Microverse

Beliiiiiiiiiieve

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30325: Apr 7th 2015 at 11:32:32 AM

Lady-Stiltman. Calling it now.


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