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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I doubt Gwen will show up in the MCU any time soon. If anything, I think Black Cat's overdue to be a movie love interest for Spidey.
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.I get really really REALLY tired of the Doylist line of reasoning in regards to story telling. Beyond that, the name of the show/comic isn't Gwen Stacy it's Spider-man. I know that a death is hard even in fiction, but it doesn't invalidate development for that character. It gives the death itself more meaning.
People die everyday through no fault of their own like a bolt from a clear blue sky. Is killing a woman to cause the most pain sexist? Yeah! There is one thing you guys seem to forget though. The villain is the one who does it in story and the writer rarely shares the same point of view as the villain.
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Is it wrong/annoying that I still want to see Emma Stone as Black Cat?
Fun MCU/Emma Stone fact: Before Jan van Dyne was gonna be alive in Ant-Man, one of the many candidates to play as her was, in fact, Emma Stone.
edited 5th Apr '15 6:27:54 PM by TargetmasterJoe
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Yes, but the writer is the one who's, well, writing the story. Barring, say, an editorial mandate, the writer is the one to decide to have the villain kill off the character.
Furthermore, while killing off a character doesn't invalidate their previous development, it does effectively prevent the character from undergoing any further development - unless they're resurrected, and that doesn't happen to all of them. When a writer kills off a hero's love interest, they are consciously making a decision that they aren't interested in telling the love interest's story, and that she (and it's usually a she in these cases) is better off dead.
Now, if this were just to have happened once, with Gwen Stacy, then it arguably wouldn't be a cause for concern. But when it keeps happening again and again - and not just in comic books - well, it suggests that writers are more interested in killing/injuring/depowering/etc. female characters to cause angst for the male hero than actually developing said female characters.
I think you mean dead.
...Unless I missed something?
edited 5th Apr '15 6:35:11 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!
I'm afraid I couldn't tell you. But she's far from the only female character to be killed off to give the male hero angst.
Is anyone hoping a hypothetical Guardians of the Galaxy 3 movie will essentially be a mishmash of elements from Annihilation and Annihilation: Conquest and have the Guardians go toe-to-toe with Ultron? (Based on past experiences, it's apparent that it's hard to kill an A.I., so I doubt we'll see Ultron only once.)
edited 5th Apr '15 6:57:12 PM by TargetmasterJoe
I really wish we had had Jan as a scientist who spends most of the movie shrunken down to the size of...well, a wasp.
edited 5th Apr '15 8:52:46 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!New video
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I still think there's a fair chance of that being the case, albeit in the flashback portions of the plot rather than the present.
I hope it becomes a running thing that each Avengers movie forces Cap to fight the bad guy one on one for a while, even though they're a bit out of his weight class, simply because no one else is available.
"Why is it that I always have to get in a fistfight with the guys who can punch through solid steel? Why can't Hawkeye do it?"
edited 6th Apr '15 12:24:14 AM by KnownUnknown
Scarlet Witch I don't think is being neglected so much as having scenes too important to the plot (compared to Quicksilver who gets the cool action scenes but not much relevance plotwise) and they don't want to spoil it.
Hawkeye though is just... well, Hawkeye. The 'badass normal' whose not a) Captain America or b) Scarlett Johanson in a tight outfit. He's not had much else MCU wise sadly.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."People die everyday through no fault of their own like a bolt from a clear blue sky. Is killing a woman to cause the most pain sexist? Yeah! There is one thing you guys seem to forget though. The villain is the one who does it in story and the writer rarely shares the same point of view as the villain.
There is no such thing as Atheist Fiction. Every universe that exists in a story has an almighty God, and that God is the writer. The sun rises and sets at the writer's whim. People live and die as the writer allows them. The writer has a plan and everything that transpires is a direct consequence of that writer's plan. All things are predestined in accordance with the almighty script, and though the writer may change his plan if something better comes to his mind, everything occurs because he chooses for it to.
Gwen Stacy was killed because Norman Osborn wanted to cause her pain, yes, but Osborn was permitted to succeed by the Almighty Creator of his universe because a real-world writer made a choice, that her death in this moment had more value than her life. In that moment, villain and writer were aligned. Both killed Gwen Stacy for the pain it would cause Peter.
Gwen's death is remembered so strongly in the fanbase because when it occurred, it was something considered unthinkable in comics. The supporting cast was untouchable. They might get in danger or have wacky adventures but their Plot Armor was as thick as the hero's. At the time, Gwen's death was an iconic moment, not just for Spider-Man but for comic books as a whole.
At the time. Today, however, killing off female characters to motivate male protagonists is completely overplayed, and audiences are growing sick of it. Gwen's death changed the world of comic books when it first happened, but that was decades ago; it's time to let it go, as so many other things from that time have been.
It's actually gotten rather uncomfortable that the one sacred cow in ALL OF COMICS is a woman's broken body lying dead on the concrete. That all else may change, but no one better think about touching that corpse. That fans are more concerned with Gwen's death than her life.
edited 6th Apr '15 9:06:11 AM by TobiasDrake
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...How many issues were there before the one sacred cow IN ALL OF COMICS came back as a clone, again?
edited 6th Apr '15 9:59:40 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.

Really, Gwen isn't even in the MCU that we know of, so I'm curious what's going on.