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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I couldn't even get through the first season of Ultimate Spider-Man. I'm going to have to watch the Miles episode one of these days though.
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Well, Spectacular already introduced Hobie Brown, so presumably he would be Prowler, which wouldn't really gel with Miles's comic backstory.
Spectacular did a lot of stuff that didn't fit in with how the comics were, though. Like, Eddie Brock being Peter's surrogate brother, for example. And Gwen Stacy not getting shoved in a refrigerator.
Failing any other ideas, they could just have Miles come from an alternate universe.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Eddie was based on the Ultimate version, so that is from the comics. Just not the 616. Also, we don't really know if Gwen would've died or not considering the show was canceled.
Also, Spectacular was pretty narrowly focused on New York's supervillains and organized crime. I doubt it ever would've done any grandoise dimension-hopping plotlines or anything. Heck, the only aliens in the show (Venom and Colonel Jupiter's spores) were pretty much glossed over.
(I'm trying to get an encyclopedic knowledge of the show for the fanfic in my signature, by the way.)
edited 4th Apr '15 8:38:58 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
I heard they might have killed her had they been allowed to make a direct-to-DVD movie based on Peter's college years.
It doesn't actually happen as much as you'd think but the fact that you think it happens more than it does kind of shows to what extent it has consumed her entire being.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersTo be fair, Gwen was an incredibly boring character in the Silver Age, so her death was literally the most interesting thing to happen to her up to that point. In fact, the only other thing she's really known for in the 616-verse is getting cloned, which is a plotline that kinda requires her to die first for it to happen...
(Also having Norman's babies, but we don't talk about that...)
edited 4th Apr '15 9:25:38 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.It's just....really lazy writing, IMO.
edited 4th Apr '15 9:35:52 PM by higherbrainpattern
She apparently didn't start boring but got boring as time went on.
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Okay, but you can't give people and adaptations crap for only remembering her death when for a long stretch of time, it was literally the only memorable thing about her. Whether or not it was bad writing doesn't change the fact that it's famous.
Also, most adaptations either don't kill Gwen or at least bother fleshing out her character first, so I really don't think it's that big an issue.
(By the way, Spectacular Spider-Man probably could've revealed Gwen was a purple tapdancing alien from Mars and it would've been amazing because the show was so incredibly well written. Spectacular payed a whole lot of homages to the Silver Age, so I'm sure they could've killed Gwen if they'd felt like it and it would've been fine.)
edited 4th Apr '15 9:51:54 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.The reason I tend to take issue with Gwen's death isn't so much the gender aspect as it is the fact that it invalidates any character development Gwen receives. It really frustrated me when the Ultimate comics spent so much time developing her just to have her randomly killed off for no reason.
In the original story, her death was pure shock value, so if you wanted to make it "good writing," you'd have to make it some essential part of the story, like Mufasa's death in Lion King. The thing is, Gwen's not really a big pillar of morality like Mufasa. She's usually written as either a wallflower (in Spectacular) or a capable, fun, snarky friend to Peter (in the Ultimate comics and Amazing movies).
Having her death have any kind of meaning besides "makes Peter very sad" would probably require Gwen to be some kind of Christ-type figure, which A) isn't a perfect fit for a high school / college-age love interest character and B) is kinda already taken by, I don't know, Uncle Ben. How many dead characters does Peter need to motivate himself, exactly?
edited 4th Apr '15 10:09:24 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.....dude, why are you still trying to justify reasons for killing off gwen stacy??? 'cause there really aren't any that aren't just plain old fridging. And I hate fridging. I think it's a shitty, sexist trope that needs to go away forever.
edited 4th Apr '15 10:08:10 PM by higherbrainpattern
Well, Tropes Are Tools. Yeah, Stuffed into the Fridge is usually a sign of bad writing, but it's not like it's literally impossible for the death of a female character to have meaning to it. Does that mean any preexisting Spider-Man stories have handled Gwen's death perfectly? Heck, no. But I feel like the concept itself isn't inherently worthless.
I mean, is having a loved one murdered by a supervillain not a reasonable consequence of being a superhero? Is the reason Gwen died in the original not because Green Goblin figured out Peter's identity and wanted to hurt him? Is a character's reaction to the death of a loved one not a worthwhile concept to explore in fiction?
edited 4th Apr '15 10:25:06 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Consequences shmonsequences. There's no female agency involved in cases of fridging. It'd be one thing if the character in question was actively choosing to be in danger by contributing to the fight against a supervillain and they're killed for their trouble, but fridging doesn't involve that at all, now does it?
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Against Electro. not against the Green Goblin. Harry literally just flew in after Gwen helped defeat Electro, sees Gwen, sees Spidey, puts two and two together and kills Gwen to cause Spidey pain, because Harry's deduced that Spidey is Peter.
How many female villains have tried to kill Gwen Stacy? And it'd still be fridging if the female villain in question did the exact same thing the Green Goblin did, which was kidnapping her and then killing her to cause Spidey pain.
I can do this all day, pal.
edited 4th Apr '15 10:35:35 PM by higherbrainpattern

A TV show isn't really in the cards I don't think because there's simply way too many chances for it to completely fuck up the canon, thus negating the whole purpose of doing a tie-in in the first place.
But say a Hawkeye DTV or something? I'd be down for that.