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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30151: Apr 3rd 2015 at 9:55:24 AM

I thought the flash tapped into the speed force? The more he taps into it, the faster he goes; don't tap into it at all, he's human, tap into it completely, he turns into the speed force.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30152: Apr 3rd 2015 at 10:46:22 AM

Elektra and Bullseye are "on the radar" for season 2 of Daredevil.

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#30153: Apr 3rd 2015 at 10:56:29 AM

Talking a season two? They're confidant.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30154: Apr 3rd 2015 at 10:58:42 AM

Given how positive the early reviews have been, they have every reason to be confident.

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#30155: Apr 3rd 2015 at 12:15:37 PM

You know, I've been thinking, guys. Steve is supposedly Peak Human right? Doesn't that mean that Cap should also have peak human intellect? Something akin to, I don't know, Batman, Lex Luthor or even Ozymandias? Or does the SSS only work on physical levels?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#30156: Apr 3rd 2015 at 12:18:00 PM

He may have the potential for such, but intellect is something you acquire, not something you instantly gain, after all. You could say his super-fast reflexes, ability to analyze his foe and reaction time is a indication that his brain is also enhanced.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#30157: Apr 3rd 2015 at 12:40:14 PM

The serum was stated to enhance his bones and muscles. It said nothing about his brain.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30158: Apr 3rd 2015 at 12:46:58 PM

The comics have said the serum improved Steve's cognitive ability to the point where he can predict his shield's ricochet.

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#30159: Apr 3rd 2015 at 12:51:25 PM

Which is but one of many ways the comics have tried to justify the shield's ricochet powers.

It's reminiscent of the idea that the Hulk is doing complex physics equations in his head every second in order to ensure that every single piece of debris from everything he does flies in such a way as to cause no harm to bystanders; superhero writers like to use Super-Mathematics to justify Fridge Logic, and the result is generally stupider than the problem it's intended to solve.

edited 3rd Apr '15 12:51:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30160: Apr 3rd 2015 at 12:52:36 PM

The Ultimate books make a point of saying that it somehow made him an amazing tactician and that he was and I quote "Dumb as a sack of hammers" before he took it.

I'm not sure if they're saying it somehow made him an amazing tactician off the bat or simply gave him the intellectual capacity to learn and memorize tactics like that.

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#30161: Apr 3rd 2015 at 12:55:22 PM

The Ultimate books also "justified" Reed Richards's intelligence by saying his superpowers made his intellectual capacity "stretchy" too, and Tony Stark's brilliance by saying he's super-powered and his body is 100% brain matter.

The Ultimate books are dumb, and one of the reasons they're dumb is a complete inability to appreciate the idea that sometimes, people excel because those people are awesome, and not because they were genetically manufactured to excel.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#30162: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:04:27 PM

It's always weird to suddenly remember "oh, yeah, folks besides Spider-Man got ultimate lines."

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#30163: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:07:03 PM

You might be better off not remembering.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30164: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:14:27 PM

IIRC Ultimate!FF was supposed to take place a decade before all the other Ultimate books started(or at least everything up to the death of Ultimate!Annihilus was in the past)but the other books had the FF show up as teens even though they should be in their 30s at that point because no one cared about the details in the new universe which is also why Ultimate!Tony had to explain away one origin by claiming it was an in-universe anime.

edited 3rd Apr '15 1:15:53 PM by LordofLore

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#30165: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:18:53 PM

To be fair, they created the new universe in the first place so that nobody had to care about the details. The Ultimate Universe was conceived as a solution to the Continuity Lock-Out of the 616, but the fundamental flaw inherent in the idea is that giving writers the freedom to play fast and loose with continuity means too many shits are being given to stories that couldn't be written in the 616WATCH OUT , leaving few for cross-title consistency.

edited 3rd Apr '15 1:19:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30167: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:44:02 PM

Interesting descriptions for the newer guys:

Ulysses Klaue

He is a black-market arms dealer, smuggler and gangster operating out of South Africa. He is a former acquaintance of Tony Stark’s from his weapons-dealing days and a powerful new player in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Dr. Helen Cho

She is a world-renowned geneticist and an ally of The Avengers. From her offices in Seoul, South Korea, to sharing workspace with Bruce Banner in his lab at Avengers Tower, Dr. Cho’s research and technology help keep The Avengers in the fight.

Baron Strucker

He is a brilliant HYDRA scientist who worked under the cover of S.H.I.E.L.D. for far too long. Human experimentation, advanced robotics and artificial intelligence are just a few of the things Strucker is working on when Wanda and Pietro Maximoff volunteer for his program.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#30168: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:46:49 PM

Does this mean the new scientist working for Tony is Amadeus Cho's mother?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#30169: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:53:55 PM

I feel like I should point out that according to Serkis his role is minimal:

"Well, I think I can absolutely confirm it's Ulysses Klaw now because I think the news is out. I sort of noticed that people [on the red carpets] sort of knew that I was Ulysses Klaw, so I thought 'It must be out then'... [My part] was really minimal, but I just loved doing it; it's a great character."

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#30170: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:55:40 PM

Makes sense. He'll probably be more important to Ant-Man and maybe Black Panther?

edited 3rd Apr '15 1:55:48 PM by Mukora

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30171: Apr 3rd 2015 at 1:58:20 PM

That could actually cause tension if he's one of Tony's former friends and murdered the ruler of a sovereign nation. I can imagine the political attack ads now.

A nice look at the Hot Toys stuff.

edited 3rd Apr '15 2:09:32 PM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30172: Apr 3rd 2015 at 2:12:28 PM

And hey I just noticed Thor's:

The Asgardian God of Thunder returns as Earth’s sworn protector. More brash and powerful than ever, Thor serves as the moral compass for the team and continues his personal quest to find the identity of his brother’s secret ally while also warning his teammates of threats that are bigger than any of them can imagine.

So it sounds like he is the one to bring the Thanos plot to the Avengers.

edited 3rd Apr '15 2:12:53 PM by comicwriter

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#30173: Apr 3rd 2015 at 2:17:00 PM

I'm more saddened by them having apparently removed Von Strucker's backstory as a WWII veteran.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30174: Apr 3rd 2015 at 2:20:18 PM

I'm hoping Helen Cho will be better integrated into this film than the cameos by the Chinese doctors in Iron Man 3. Although if she's supposed to be Amadeus's mother, isn't he American-born?

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#30175: Apr 3rd 2015 at 2:21:33 PM

[up]And as we all know it is impossible for South Koreans to immigrate to America or give birth on our soil. tongue

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

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