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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#30126: Apr 2nd 2015 at 7:35:02 PM

[up][up]Joss said that his version is about as fast as a bullet. So fast, but not 'everything comes to a halt' fast.

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#30127: Apr 2nd 2015 at 7:58:11 PM

Which makes sense. Speed like in the last X-men movie is an absolute Game-Breaker power. 2,000-4,000 feet per second is at least somewhat balanced.

edited 2nd Apr '15 8:02:06 PM by Joesolo

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#30128: Apr 2nd 2015 at 8:10:41 PM

quicksilver op pls nerf

edited 2nd Apr '15 8:10:47 PM by edvedd

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zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#30129: Apr 2nd 2015 at 8:33:09 PM

Speaking of Game-Breaker, which, in your opinion guys, is the most nerfed character in what we've seen so far of the MCU. My vote would go to Thor and maybe Hulk. Which I admit is necessary to keep the suspense. Their Comic versions are way too much for this setting. Oh and apparently Wanda, her Comic powers are basically plot devices desguised as hex bolts.

edited 2nd Apr '15 8:34:45 PM by zsax

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#30130: Apr 2nd 2015 at 8:43:57 PM

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#30131: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:34:22 PM

[up][up]Wanda is probably going to take that title when AOU comes out. She's basically a Reality Warper.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30132: Apr 2nd 2015 at 10:58:18 PM

All Asgardians, The Mandarin, Drax, Gamora, Scarlet Witch. That's about it.

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#30133: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:00:30 PM

On the other hand, I still say that Winter Soldier showed the best representation of how Captain America fighting should look in the real world. When he kicks a mook in the chest on the boat and that mook goes flying twenty feet, I'm like "Yes. That is what happens when the most peak human athlete who will ever live kicks you really hard in the chest."

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#30134: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:05:34 PM

Really? I'm no expert on physics but I get the impression the human foot would itself need more surface area than it has and more speed and density than Cap's likely has to exert force on the entire human body, rather than just the area being kicked.

A peak kick in the chest from Superman should really just result in a gaping hole in you.

I think.

edited 2nd Apr '15 11:07:11 PM by Wackd

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30135: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:07:21 PM

[up][up][up][up] Actually not an a normal part of her abilities. She was buffed at the time by an outside force when she had her Reality Warper powers, and now I think she's back to just magic and affecting probabilities.

edited 2nd Apr '15 11:07:34 PM by AlleyOop

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#30136: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:11:50 PM

[up][up]I mean, Bruce Lee could kick a dude in the chest so hard that the dude flew into another dude, and broke the other dude's arm. That actually happened. So even if just the spot where Cap kicked a dude took the most damage, the combination of force and momentum should still send him flying.

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#30137: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:18:04 PM

I don't understand how screwing with probabilities works. "Chance" is just physics working in ways that, while rigid, are unpredictable to the human eye. She'd have to quite literally be warping reality off its intended course and breaking numerous laws of physics in order to manipulate something as ill-defined as luck.

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#30138: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:28:34 PM

Out of all the odd things that happen in superhero comics (or really, any form of speculative fiction), singling out probability manipulation is somewhat strange.

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#30139: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:33:10 PM

Fair enough.

I just don't see the point in calling her anything other than a high-order reality warper in that case. If she can manipulate numerous minute forces in order to achieve a desired outcome, then she can basically do anything.

edited 2nd Apr '15 11:33:59 PM by Anomalocaris20

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30140: Apr 2nd 2015 at 11:49:58 PM

I remember Black Cat had bad luck powers at one point too (she doesn't have them any more), though I don't know what they looked like.

And then of course there's Number None... evil grin

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#30141: Apr 3rd 2015 at 2:50:25 AM

And by "of course", you mean you're going to explain who that is, right?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30142: Apr 3rd 2015 at 2:59:26 AM

The Wheel of Time discusses probability in detail, and there it overall worked well enough. There was one character who, no matter what the situation, ended always with the best outcome for him. Oh, he could end up in deep trouble through his decisions, but a mixture of fate and strange luck always ensured that he was pushed in a certain direction.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30143: Apr 3rd 2015 at 6:05:31 AM

@Quicksilver being nerfed in Age of Apocalypse

I'm not sure he needs to be nerfed; just pit him against characters who can trump his one gimmick. Jean Grey can stop him before he even decides to move, Storm can electrify him faster than he can run, and Cyclops can kill people at the speed of light.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#30144: Apr 3rd 2015 at 7:25:10 AM

Longshot had a passive probability control similar to Felicia Hardy's ability. He didn't cause bad luck for others though.

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#30145: Apr 3rd 2015 at 7:28:45 AM

I remember Black Cat had bad luck powers at one point too (she doesn't have them any more), though I don't know what they looked like.

If I am not mistaken, it meant people around her had little small annoyances happening to them at inopportune times. Guns jamming, tripping at nowhere, web failing to stick into the wall. This sort of stuff. It helped her because the enemies were constantly being hindered by something, but it screwed over ever her friends at times (such as Spider-Man).

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#30146: Apr 3rd 2015 at 7:39:32 AM

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“Looking forward, there are so many stories to tell,” said De Knight. “The Hand, Elektra, Bullseye… with a 13-episode arc you don’t have to rush it; you can explore. That’s not to say we are going to do Bullseye and Elektra, but it’s on the radar."

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#30147: Apr 3rd 2015 at 8:08:53 AM

Quicksilver being nerfed in Age of Apocalypse I'm not sure he needs to be nerfed; just pit him against characters who can trump his one gimmick. Jean Grey can stop him before he even decides to move, Storm can electrify him faster than he can run, and Cyclops can kill people at the speed of light.

Storm's powers can, but Storm can't because she still has to aim. Lightning's speed is amazing and far outstrips Quicksilver's. Human reaction time, however, makes it worthless.

And Cyclops's optic beams aren't lasers, they're kinetic force and have been demonstrated to be dodgeable by characters with human agility.

Ultimately, what it boils down to is that super-speed is OP, period. A Speedster should rarely if ever lose to anything, and characters like Quicksilver or the Flash often wind up jobbing to attacks that should be entirely avoidable at the speed of sound or higher, like a clothesline from the Hulk, just to get their broken powerset out of the fight.

edited 3rd Apr '15 8:09:35 AM by TobiasDrake

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30149: Apr 3rd 2015 at 9:44:39 AM

hat's a good point. FoX-Men's Quicksilver's main advantage over other speedsters isn't how fast he can go; it's that he's naturally that fast. As far as I understand, Superman and the Flash have to tap into their superspeed; which means their reaction time is still human and they can be caught off guard. The film implies FoX-Men!Quicksilver is always that fast. As far as he's concerned everyone is always moving incredibly slow.

You could always kill him with a sniper rifle if his back was to you and he was in conversation. Bullets can move as fast as the sound of the mussel flare is.

Still, the X-Men have two telepaths; slow down his reaction time (Which is a trick Xavier does constantly through the films) and he's a lot easier to electrify.

I never realised Cyclopse's eyes fire plasma an not light.

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#30150: Apr 3rd 2015 at 9:47:34 AM

The Flash is implied or stated in multiple media to always be that fast. He thinks and can communicate fast, has nightmares of going so fast that everyone else is frozen permanently compared to him, etc. Whenever he's not, it's generally because he's hit with the nerf stick.

Until I heard Magneto go "Freeze them, Charles!", I never thought about Xavier being able to do that.

Dude, Cyclops' beams are punches from the punch dimension. This has been settled before.

edited 3rd Apr '15 9:48:25 AM by wanderlustwarrior


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