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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30101: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:00:05 AM

Are we having this debate again?

But for sake of conversation, the prequel they put out about the Scepter does lend to it being something other than just powered by the Cube. It's mentioned that nobody has an explanation for how they are related and when the scientist working on it finally does find an answer, he says "Could it really be that simple?" before being shot.

So if it were just a generic weapon powered by the Cube (like Steve implies in the first film) I don't think there'd be this much mystery and emphasis on hiding what it really is.

It also makes Age of Ultron as a whole seem like less of a Bizarro Episode in the grander scheme of things if it is connected to the larger Infinity Gem storyline.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:00:31 AM by comicwriter

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#30102: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:02:18 AM

@Spash: Ah, but if he was stupid and annoying, BUT he contributed significantly to the plot, that's not exactly pointless is it? tongue

Don't take that too seriously, please.

Any sequel has to grapple with introducing new characters and their assorted motivations. I guess it comes down to what is the best conflict for the story they're telling with these characters.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:03:14 AM by edvedd

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#30103: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:27:13 AM

To be fair, that's tumblr. Anything where a white man is the lead is the worst thing ever created and is the embodiment of systemic oppression.
Your comment had nothing to do with how the trope of "hiding your secret identity from loved ones" is a shitty trope because it leads to stupid plots that could've been resolved much easier had the loved one just known the secret identity of a hero. It's just...bashing tumblr for no reason.

Also, I love that tone of utter dismissal in your comment. I just love it.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:43:25 AM by higherbrainpattern

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30104: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:39:45 AM

That's also kind of ridiculous because from what I've seen tumblr fucking LOVES the Flash. And the MCU movies too, most of which are led by white males.

The fact that people are complaining about the Iris plot has nothing to do with Barry being white and more to do with the writers stretching it out over such ridiculously long period that it's crushing the suspension of disbelief.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:41:05 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30105: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:41:55 AM

Just an idea: How about watching Ao U before making any judgements about the plot or if the trailer showed too much? It's less than a month now....

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#30106: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:51:10 AM

edit: misunderstood something

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:51:43 AM by crazysamaritan

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#30108: Apr 2nd 2015 at 2:35:21 PM

Yeah, I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to see how MCU!Quicksilver will be able to one-up this.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30109: Apr 2nd 2015 at 2:46:03 PM

Probably by not acting like they have to one-up it.

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#30110: Apr 2nd 2015 at 2:59:19 PM

I like that they seem to be playing up his smug jerk aspect.

Since we may never get Namor, we need that from somewhere.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30111: Apr 2nd 2015 at 4:13:12 PM

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Wait, what?

Isn't the general definition of "one-upping something" essentially "to do something better than the last thing"?

Unless you're mean that Marvel's probably not gonna be thinking "Ooh, how's our Quicksilver gonna top DOFP Quicksilver?" but more like "What can we do with our Quicksilver to make him just as cool, if not even more cool, than what Fox came up with?"?

edited 2nd Apr '15 4:13:58 PM by TargetmasterJoe

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#30112: Apr 2nd 2015 at 4:26:42 PM

Neither, as both options you give are based on the idea Marvel needs to one-up Days of Future Past. The ideal is that Marvel went into the film thinking "How do we make Quicksilver a good character in this story we are telling?" No attempt to match what happened in the X-Men film.

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#30113: Apr 2nd 2015 at 4:44:52 PM

That Quicksilver DOFP scene was both awesome and sad.

Awesome for obvious reasons. Sad because it demonstrated how broken the character was. Seriosly, Peter could have resolved the whole plot in, literally a few minutes, if not less.

Also, I don't think Comics! Quicksilver, barring Ultimate Marvel and some recent upgrades, was ever that fast. I believe Ultron, Hulk, Spider-Man and even Magneto were able to tag him in the past. But still... it really was a cool scene.

edited 2nd Apr '15 4:49:06 PM by zsax

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#30114: Apr 2nd 2015 at 4:46:21 PM

No, he's not even close. Quicksilver tops out at like the speed of sound. They turned him into the Flash in this movie, just because.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30115: Apr 2nd 2015 at 4:55:07 PM

Two new TV spots.

edited 2nd Apr '15 4:55:19 PM by comicwriter

jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#30117: Apr 2nd 2015 at 4:56:32 PM

[up][up][up]Well, those bullets were moving slower than the speed of sound, and they were still moving when Quicksilver was in super-speed mode, so I would say that he was moving slower than the speed of sound.

edited 2nd Apr '15 4:56:52 PM by jdj42

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#30118: Apr 2nd 2015 at 5:17:16 PM

That doesn't actually make sense. You can't say something is slower than the speed of sound just because it's significantly faster than something else slower than the speed of sound.

It's weird to see Nat with Cap's shield. Also, Hawkeye's line and Thor's intentional missed hammer catch were cool.

I'd like to see more use of the wind and rain powers from Thor.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30119: Apr 2nd 2015 at 5:19:36 PM

I'm a bit concerned about Ultron's personality. I hope he's not all just dark and ominous speeches about how the current age is coming to an end, and that there's a bit more to him.

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#30120: Apr 2nd 2015 at 6:11:01 PM

Don't worry about that, he'll also sing this:

edited 2nd Apr '15 6:12:20 PM by TheAirman

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#30121: Apr 2nd 2015 at 6:17:12 PM

[up]"War is better, Stark's asleep, forever..."

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#30122: Apr 2nd 2015 at 6:50:47 PM

Heh, I love how Hawkeye points out how his choice of weapon may not be good for Robots.

edited 2nd Apr '15 6:55:52 PM by edvedd

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#30123: Apr 2nd 2015 at 7:01:20 PM

I wanna hear what Scarlet Witch's accent sounds like already.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30124: Apr 2nd 2015 at 7:27:07 PM

Don't get me wrong, the Quicksilver scene is the high point of Days of Future Past. I personally think that this single scene is the main reason why so many people are all over the movie, overlooking it glaring flaws. And one of them is this scene. It has been already pointed out before, but again: This Quicksilver is way too powerful. He is a walking plot solution. The only thing Marvel has to do to trump Fox is to ensure that the character has limitations and a well defined skill-set. At least that's what would be the most important part for me.

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#30125: Apr 2nd 2015 at 7:30:19 PM

[up][up]The fact that they have not shown her speaking one word makes me worried that her accent is 'TERRIBLE.

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