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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#30001: Mar 31st 2015 at 1:17:05 PM

I like the Tron lines and Clint's new costume because it's a neat visual way of showing their characters changing from SHIELD agents to costumed heroes.

edited 31st Mar '15 1:17:30 PM by Hodor2

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#30002: Mar 31st 2015 at 2:17:52 PM

If written well, Scarlet Witch could easily become one of my favorite characters in the MCU ( although I'm still convinced that Whedon will infantilize her in an attempt to make her into a River Tam Expy).

At least, she looks so badass in the promos, almost like a force of nature.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30003: Mar 31st 2015 at 2:57:40 PM

I mean, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with the River character archetype, it's just that it's a huge mismatch for Scarlet Witch in particular. Especially since she's been Flanderized so much as a madwoman in the comics, and I don't want him to bring that aspect back after all the work Heinberg did trying to save her character in Children's Crusade just because of Author Appeal or whatever.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30004: Mar 31st 2015 at 3:03:06 PM

I wonder just how powerful they're going to make Wanda. She is conventionally a really heavy hitter; but that comes from her ability to just change matter; which she doesn't have.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#30005: Mar 31st 2015 at 3:06:12 PM

Telekinesis strong enough to chuck cars around and Mind Whammy powers are pretty powerful.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30006: Mar 31st 2015 at 3:06:14 PM

I remember fondly the time she cast Meteo

It was pretty awesome.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#30007: Mar 31st 2015 at 3:07:28 PM

I think it depends on whatever Character Development she gets. For instance if she's still portrayed as completely out of her mind then that begs the question of why the Avengers would want someone that potentially dangerous on their team.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#30008: Mar 31st 2015 at 3:14:25 PM

Admittedly we have been given very little of what her character's like so far.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30009: Mar 31st 2015 at 3:34:00 PM

So Car is joining the Avengers now.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#30011: Mar 31st 2015 at 3:50:58 PM

Flipping a metric tonne of car with her wrist is powerful enough I guess.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#30012: Mar 31st 2015 at 8:35:15 PM

Kars could easily defeat the Avengers once he makes physical contact. It's weird to think that even Santana, the weakest Pillar Man, could just absorb the Hulk.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#30013: Mar 31st 2015 at 8:58:40 PM

The powers of different works tend not to play nice with each other.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#30015: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:09:29 PM

Hell, even within works some powers are just rule breakers. Doctor Strange or Scarlet Witch's magic in the comic are always pretty high end compared to other Marvel powers. Pillar Man instant absorption of organic matter trumps most things outside of Gold Experience Requiem or other chronokinetic Stands.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30016: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:11:10 PM

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The Pillar Men's absorption power works by secreting digestive fluids onto the people they're eating, so Iron Man would probably be untouchable, plus he can easily build UV blasters into his suit. Hulk's skin is probably resistant to acid baths and stuff like that.

Although, the Pillar Men shouldn't have been able to eat anyone wearing clothes then (unless it's because clothes count as organic). Not like Jojo's famous for its consistency.

edited 31st Mar '15 9:16:29 PM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30017: Apr 1st 2015 at 2:55:37 AM

okay, it is official: Ao S has found its footing, big time. Really, the people who don't watch don't know what they are missing out on. Not sure what changed, it's, as far as I can tell, not the writing staff, but this last episode was yet another game-changer. CW can keep Arrow and Flash. I'll happily settling down with Ao S and (hopefully) more Agent Carter.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30018: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:52:13 AM

[up] How so? To be honest, the "Real SHIELD" thing sounds kind of tedious.

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30019: Apr 1st 2015 at 7:06:26 AM

At this point, what exactly is Coulson's SHIELD? The same as it originally was, except much much smaller? Now an organization dedicated to combatting HYDRA? Or something like Fury's personal mini-army for good/grey morality? And that's not even getting "Real SHIELD" into all of this.

edited 1st Apr '15 7:09:18 AM by AlleyOop

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#30020: Apr 1st 2015 at 7:16:04 AM

Sorry you were asking about Coulson's. Pretty much a smaller more personal SHEILD that is willing to take less collateral damage and is focused on fighting HYDRA. Fury's left them to their own devices really.

"Real" SHEILD are a bunch of people who chosen to ignore Fury's (out of date) orders during the fall and settled on a more democratic form of leadership (committee instead of director) and have since the fall been sailing around and infiltrating Coulson's team because they don't trust him due to Coulson being Fury's chosen successor and having alien blood in him.

edited 1st Apr '15 7:18:55 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30021: Apr 1st 2015 at 7:29:02 AM

How big are Coulson's and "Real" SHIELD? Can't be that much ofa big deal or else Stark wouldn't need Ultron.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#30023: Apr 1st 2015 at 7:41:40 AM

If they're this small I can't imagine they could actually do anything the old SHIELD did. The world governments probably don't trust them, so what exactly else is their goal besides rebuilding?

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#30024: Apr 1st 2015 at 7:51:58 AM

I mean, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with the River character archetype, it's just that it's a huge mismatch for Scarlet Witch in particular. Especially since she's been Flanderized so much as a madwoman in the comics, and I don't want him to bring that aspect back after all the work Heinberg did trying to save her character in Children's Crusade just because of Author Appeal or whatever.
As a highly casual fan (read: hears about some developments, reads some of the most famous TPB versions of good storyarcs), I'm not sure where that's a bad thing, or what's getting lost.

What I know of Scarlet Witch is basically a similar character to Teen Titans's Jinx. So the powerset is ending up completely different from what I was expecting, and sounding like a Jean Grey.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#30025: Apr 1st 2015 at 8:07:48 AM

I just know one thing: I wanted to do the "best scene of the episode" poll on Spoiler TV and I finally clicked on most of the options plus others for three which weren't listed because this ep was full of great scenes. A perfect mix of action scenes, funny moments, thoughtful moments, dramatic moments....Hunter just became one of my favourite characters and he was barely in the episode. In fact, the time in which I had to say "yeah, I like this and that character, but the rest is just kind of there" is now officially over. I like them all, and I can't wait what will happen next. They now have set up no less than six different fractions Coulson's people, the wannabe Shield, Wards band of misfits, Hydra, the government and the Inhumans and it is just a joy to see it.

There is nothing tedious about the current storyline, at least not for me. I get where Bobbi and company are coming from. They are wrong, but I get it.


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