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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#29951: Mar 29th 2015 at 1:20:40 PM

Hmm, had an idea. Have Taskmaster as an association of Batrock. Batrock is a mercenary and has a sort of respect for Cap. The two could show up working together.

One other thing I'd love to see- Ghost on AOS. Basically he'd start out working for HYDRA against Stark, Inc./SHIELD but would ultimately sabotage HYDRA, since he hates both. My idea is that he initially claims to be a former Rising Tide associate of Skye's that she never noticed, but would afterward say that he was making that up.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29952: Mar 29th 2015 at 1:57:38 PM

RE: Ward as Taskmaster rumor: Yeeeeaaaah, I don't exactly see that as possible. What I do see possible is Tasky curb stomping Ward to show just how tough he is in his first appearance. Also 'cause it'd be great seeing Ward get his backstabbing ass whooped. evil grin

Something else that was on my head for some time. Anybody think Nova would work better as a Netflix show rather than a full-fledged movie? Especially if they're gonna go for Sam!Nova?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29953: Mar 29th 2015 at 2:07:44 PM

@Gillen coming back as as Nebula I would be really happy about that. Always thought she was a pretty well done character, way better than Ronan who was just terrible all around between the acting and writing. What a waste.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#29954: Mar 29th 2015 at 2:08:07 PM

Haven't seen season 2 at all to know it's plot beyond "something with Inhumans", but I still laugh to think of Ward being anywhere near Barton or Nat. Ward... sucks. He just sucks.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29955: Mar 29th 2015 at 2:57:03 PM

[up] Yeah, I'm still waiting for season 2 to be on Netflix already. I kinda don't have ABC, so I don't really know anything beyond Mockingbird's in it and Skye's real name is Daisy Johnson, who's known in the Marvel Comics universe as Quake, an agent of SHIELD who can do earthquakes, and evidently Skye/Daisy is an Inhuman who can do earthquakes.

I was kinda like "Okay." on the whole Skye being Daisy thing. Actually? I'm kinda glad her real name is Daisy. I've kinda had this vibe that "Skye" by itself and without a surname just felt..."meh". You know? Just "Eh."

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#29956: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:01:13 PM

I've been really hoping that she straight-up rejects the name "Daisy Johnson", seeing as the only reason she has to use it is because her murderous jackhole of a dad wants her to. Thus far, that seems to be the route they're taking.

edited 29th Mar '15 3:01:35 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29957: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:05:42 PM

I honestly thought it was weird that her name had no last name whatsoever.

Well, aside from "Mary Sue Poopers". But whatever. tongue

Anyone hoping that will see Amadeus Cho at some point in the show?

edited 29th Mar '15 3:07:05 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29958: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:14:19 PM

Not a surprise that Nebula will be back. It was pretty obvious that she was mostly in the movie to establish her for a future movie.

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#29959: Mar 30th 2015 at 12:03:18 PM

Wasn't Amadeus Cho in the Hulk move?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29960: Mar 30th 2015 at 12:16:41 PM

There is a scene with a generic lab tech (who is a white guy) who isn't named and has no dialogue. For some reason, the novelization (which I'm guessing was written based off an earlier draft) referred to him as Amadeus Cho, but the novels aren't canon.

edited 30th Mar '15 12:17:03 PM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29962: Mar 30th 2015 at 12:50:51 PM

Are any of the novelizations any good? I've heard the Iron Man 2 one has some interesting tidbits which might be Word of Saint Paul, but at the same time there's also the infamous Metal Gear Solid novels.

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#29963: Mar 30th 2015 at 4:19:28 PM

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Amadus Cho. I loved (most of) iHerc.

edited 30th Mar '15 5:45:32 PM by 940131

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29964: Mar 30th 2015 at 6:06:33 PM

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/30/avengers-age-of-ultron-how-will-super-speed-look-with-quicksilvers-aaron-taylor-johnson http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/30/avengers-age-of-ultron-how-powerful-is-scarlet-witch

Taylor-Johnson: The [comic book series] I liked... was Ultimates, because I think that kind of ties in more with what they've been doing recently with The Avengers. It's more in keeping [with that] tone

I hope he doesn't mean that in the way I think he means... Also I've still got the nagging feeling that Whedon is keen on turning Wanda into River 2.0.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29965: Mar 30th 2015 at 6:24:50 PM

I don't think he means the incest part. The movies do draw a LOT from the Ultimate Universe and it sounds like part of AOU's plot is influenced by Ultimates 2, where the whole point was that the rest of the world didn't necessarily like the Avengers.

edited 30th Mar '15 6:25:01 PM by comicwriter

GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#29966: Mar 30th 2015 at 6:34:43 PM

In my opinion the genius level high school valedictorian that Hydra saw as a threat was Amadeus Cho. Then again, I feel like either Gattaca Agent or Abed Agent are Bob Agent of Hydra.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29967: Mar 30th 2015 at 7:40:56 PM

"Troy and Abed hailing HYDRA."

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29968: Mar 30th 2015 at 8:16:55 PM

#DonaldForBob

edited 30th Mar '15 8:17:19 PM by AlleyOop

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#29969: Mar 30th 2015 at 11:51:56 PM

So when do you guys think that this superhero film bubble is going to burst, if ever?

One of the major complaints that I've heard about the sheer amount of new superhero films coming out is that most of them just go through the motions, not really bothering to try to innovate or break away from the formula, because they know that audiences will come to see them anyways, and that eventually, this will collapse in on itself.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#29970: Mar 30th 2015 at 11:55:49 PM

Eh, look at the last few Marvel movies and we do have quite a lot of variety. The other companies and some of the previous Marvel movies, perhaps not so much, but I think people are still willing to watch them. I'm not claiming prophecy but this can definitely last a while longer.

edited 30th Mar '15 11:56:33 PM by TenebrousGaze

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29971: Mar 30th 2015 at 11:58:55 PM

The only point I see superhero movies starting to wane is after Infinity War, since Marvel is leading the pack with superheroes and that's where their plans reach their zenith. Even though they've got plans for way after that, that's where they'll be seriously needing to change the guard for their actors and lineups, where they're going to have to start a new running plot for their ensemble works, and present a new direction in which their movies will lead. So it's likely going to be the point where momentum will finally break, whether the fallout is rather noticeable or is only slight and ultimately doesn't amount to much.

That said, I doubt after this superhero movies will even be wiped out of Hollywood the way they were after Batman And Robin - superheroes have successfully spread into genres outside of comics in a way they hadn't really before: there were the big, but solitary examples like Superman's movies or the Batman series, but now we've got studios whose entire point is making superhero productions and who show no sign of failing due to it. They've basically become a steady subgenre at this point. I joke a lot about DC screwing up so bad they kill off superhero movies again, but that's not going to happen any time soon.

edited 31st Mar '15 12:02:47 AM by KnownUnknown

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#29972: Mar 31st 2015 at 1:27:31 AM

Interestingly, I don't think of anything in the MCU as a proper "superhero movie." When I think superhero movie, the first thing that comes to mind is Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies on one extreme and Batman Forever on the other. Fun action flicks with some fairly thoughtful themes or just a fun, campy action flick that you can suspend your disbelief enough to just enjoy the ride.

Marvel's done so much Genre-Busting that no film really feels like a superhero movie so much as they do just a variety of different movies (though if there is one thing to criticize it's that everything connects almost too well. Music is substantially lacking. Outside of Guardians pop culture soundtrack and the Winter Soldier's leitmotif, I remember nothing interesting).

I even think the Dark Knight trilogy is more of a "superhero" film series than the MCU, because it still has those overarching themes of self-importance that the Raimi Spider-Man movies do and everything feels contained to this one hero. The MCU is more liberal in dividing its focus among different heroes and because of it, no one hero feels more super than the other so those things that make a superhero movie are lost. Maybe it's just me or maybe the term "superhero movie" has just been redefined in the past few years.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29973: Mar 31st 2015 at 1:35:03 AM

Things change, I suppose. I thought The Avengers was pretty superheroic.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#29974: Mar 31st 2015 at 1:38:31 AM

I assume video game movies will be the next big thing (since so many of them want to be movies anyway), but Superhero movies have some juice left.

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#29975: Mar 31st 2015 at 1:58:10 AM

It is interesting to see how they have changed over the years. This video points out the differences in the Spider Man films for example (and also has some critiques on current ones as well:


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