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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29926: Mar 28th 2015 at 8:43:21 AM

In the now soon to be killed Ultimate universe she actually puked after finding out his age IIRC.

Edit: Yep.

edited 28th Mar '15 8:46:40 AM by LordofLore

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#29927: Mar 28th 2015 at 8:48:53 AM

That's amazing.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#29928: Mar 28th 2015 at 8:51:08 AM

That is hilarious. Also, the positioning of everything in that third panel is fantastic.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29929: Mar 28th 2015 at 9:34:49 AM

Whedon says the nightmares the Avengers experience are gonna be a turning point and hugely important, and that he liked having a woman be the one to have such a big impact on the plot.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29930: Mar 28th 2015 at 9:55:55 AM

More and more I'm thinking this will be Disassembled only not real and instead all in their heads.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29932: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:28:12 AM

Hmm, that stuff about Wanda's mind powers is interesting. Looks like the heroes' visions aren't going to be premonitions of the future as I originally thought, so much as what they fear or think will happen.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#29933: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:35:36 AM

I thought from the beginning, and especially back when we saw the clip of Steve Rogers, Log Splitter, that she was implanting visions in their heads that would help serve her interests. I'm surprised others thought otherwise.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29934: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:37:27 AM

[up][up]It's understandable. Whedon has strongly hinted that the scene of everyone dead in the trailer is from Scarlet Witch and somehow involves Thanos, so that would lend to the idea it's something to do with premonitions (otherwise, how would she know who Thanos is?)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29935: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:37:37 AM

So then, what do we know (or at least have reason to assume) about each Avenger's visions thus far? Bruce's is obvious of course, since the more we see of it the less that looks like an actual fight between Tony and the Hulk.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29936: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:41:03 AM

The fight between Bruce and Tony is real. Downey cited that when talking about the collateral damage that plays into Civil War.

Widow's look like involves her past (the stuff with her strapped down and injected with something and ballerinas being involved), Tony's is about the Avengers being dead in space, and Thor's is about becoming corrupted by power like Loki.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29937: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:58:31 AM

[up][up][up]Especially since I don't think any of the Earth characters are capable of knowing at this point who Thanos is either. I don't remember Loki telling Thor about it, and even if he did it doesn't look like a part of Thor's own vision.

edited 28th Mar '15 11:59:19 AM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29938: Mar 28th 2015 at 12:00:41 PM

Random question: Does Bruce remember what he did as Hulk?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29939: Mar 28th 2015 at 12:04:36 PM

I think it depends on whether or not he willingly shifts into the Hulk. I don't remember Incredible Hulk too well but when he involuntarily shifts on the Helicarrier he seems dazed and confused when we see him again as Banner. When he enters it willingly near the end he seems to have some level of self awareness.

edited 28th Mar '15 12:04:46 PM by Kostya

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29940: Mar 28th 2015 at 12:09:00 PM

[up][up][up]Though since her powers come from the Scepter maybe that somehow gives her visions. Hmmm...

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29941: Mar 28th 2015 at 12:11:43 PM

Besides the level of willingness in his transformation affecting it, Bruce is also shown (namely in the Incredible Hulk) to remember bits and pieces of his rampage, like a nightmare of some sort.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#29942: Mar 28th 2015 at 12:38:30 PM

When he comes to after his fall from the Helicarrier, he asks the janitor if he hurt anyone, so I assume he's not fully aware of what he did as the Hulk, just vaguely.

Though I suspect he's more aware when he willingly Hulks.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29943: Mar 28th 2015 at 12:44:01 PM

The way he describes it in Incredible Hulk always gave me the impression that transforming under duress was like being drugged or something - he's incoherent, his emotions are wildly out of control, hereacts on impulse and can't remember much afterwards.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29944: Mar 29th 2015 at 10:57:10 AM

Depends on what kind of contracts they signed up for. I know they're out of a Sony job now so said contracts probably won't apply, but I believe actors are not allowed to show up in a Marvel or DC film if they signed up for the other.

I guess we can forget about Ben Affleck making a Remake Cameo in the Daredevil then. Meh, no biggie.

So...anyone wondering when/where the MCU will introduce Taskmaster?

Maybe in a movie, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., or a future Marvel Netflix show?

Ooo! Or maybe they can make Taskmaster a Legacy Character (the idea that there has been more than one user of the Taskmaster title) just so they could introduce him in Agent Carter! (I just came up with that idea while typing this.) (Or they could use that for a flashback scene in AOS...)

EDIT: Bah, just found out that AC is a miniseries. Dang it. sad Meh, there's still the aforementioned flashback scene. tongue

edited 29th Mar '15 11:01:17 AM by TargetmasterJoe

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29945: Mar 29th 2015 at 11:44:26 AM

Considering the (somewhat unfairly) shellacking the original film got, I doubt most people would welcome Affleck or Garner cameos in Daredevil anyway.

I've heard people speculating Ward will become the Taskmaster in the MCU, although since I don't follow it too closely I'm not sure how much validity there is to that.

edited 29th Mar '15 12:02:06 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29946: Mar 29th 2015 at 12:43:21 PM

It doesn't sound like it. I'm not even sure where the Ward rumor keeps coming from.

Sounds like Karen Gillan is returning as Nebula.

edited 29th Mar '15 12:43:29 PM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#29947: Mar 29th 2015 at 12:51:00 PM

I think perhaps because of a combination of a recentish comic having it that the Taskmaster is an ex-SHIELD agent and that Ward is supposed to be at the same level as Hawkeye and Black Widow (you could add Bobbi to this two- basically SHIELD agents who are so skilled they might as well wear costumes).

But yeah, character-wise it doesn't make much sense.

One thing I think is kind of a problem, is that as much as Winter Soldier gives some nuance, at this point, HYDRA are still a bunch of Nazis (I mean for all that we get the Equal-Opportunity Evil vibe, the head is still Strucker, who looks like he escaped from Hogan's Heroes). With that in place, it's difficult to have mercenaries working for HYDRA and have them come off as somewhat sympathetic.

edited 29th Mar '15 12:55:22 PM by Hodor2

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29948: Mar 29th 2015 at 12:53:55 PM

Ward isn't cool enough to be Taskmaster.

Oh God! Natural light!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29950: Mar 29th 2015 at 12:58:41 PM

Before Season 2 started I had this theory that Taskmaster was the guy who trained all the SHIELD field agents (including Ward, Coulson and Garrett, though they were ultimately given their full training by Garrett and Fury respectively), but became a freelance trainer for mercenaries and agents from all factions after SHIELD's fall. Because he had a hand in training... well... everyone, and still had his comics memorization skills, he would be the only person who could curb stomp people like Ward and May without having any special powers.

He'd be in the Heel–Face Revolving Door, or maybe even out the Heel Face system in the first place - since he has no allegiances, he'd be one of those "does the bad guys a favor, does the good guys a favor, don't care either way" characters.

Giving a character in one of the shows a role like that - that's established but not really plot important or distracting should he show up elsewhere - is a good way to avoid the whole "if they show up in the films without preamble the audience might be confused" issue, so it'd be a good way to have the character show up for a later appearance fighting Cap or something.

edited 29th Mar '15 1:01:26 PM by KnownUnknown


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