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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#29852: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:48:29 PM

[up][up] No, no, no. What Marvel should do is metaphorically kiss and make up with Capcom, so that we have Final Justice be done on screen.

edited 25th Mar '15 8:48:38 PM by HallowHawk

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#29853: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:06:14 PM

[Hugo Weaving] wanted to try being in a superhero movie to see if they would interest him(since he's in the stage of his life where he wants to try new things or be picky about what he is going to do).

He played the title character in V For Vendetta before he was in Captain America, and it was fantastic. That doesn't count as a superhero movie? (More of an antihero movie, I suppose.)

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29854: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:11:35 PM

Well V for Vendetta is more of a political thriller than a superhero movie, to be honest. The movie's actually a lot more recognized for its political commentary (for better and for worse) than for any connection to superheroism.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29855: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:15:53 PM

[up][up][up] Shame Capcom isn't nearly as good as it used to be, because I would love to see RDJ with a Proton Cannon cool. I hope Marvel follows Korra's example and start recruiting talented developers to make game adaptations for them.

edited 25th Mar '15 9:22:02 PM by AlleyOop

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29857: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:42:41 PM

Apparently Kojima really liked The Winter Soldier, and he could use a new job after Konami screwed him over, soooooooo...

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29858: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:47:32 PM

Captain Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#29859: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:48:05 PM

Of course Kojima likes Winter Soldier, it's a Metal Gear movie.

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29860: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:51:44 PM

@Raza: If it weren't for the fact that the first movie hammered it as far as they could that the Ten Rings weren't anywhere near as powerful and influential as they thought they were, Raza being Vanko's backer instead of Hammer (or at least having a larger role beyond a Word of God cameo) might've been an interesting plot.

Though it's just as well. "Revenge of the prior villain" plots aren't anywhere near as effective in films as they are in series that get more installments.

edited 25th Mar '15 9:52:03 PM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29861: Mar 25th 2015 at 10:02:15 PM

If we distract him with a Captain America game, that'll keep him far away from Metroid.

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#29862: Mar 25th 2015 at 10:06:48 PM

What Marvel should do is metaphorically kiss and make up with Capcom, so that we have Final Justice be done on screen.
Well, for what it's worth, the Mv C version of Spider-Man appeared in Spider Verse. And died, but that's beside the point.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29863: Mar 25th 2015 at 10:36:15 PM

Ultimate Spider-Man also references Marvel Vs Capcom every once in a while, like a part in the episode where he joins the Avengers where he basically turns into Mv C Spidey right down to the Spider-Sting.

If we're going to see any Mv C moves in the MCU, I want it to be the Maximum Spider. Though I already do a thing where I shout out the name of a move if the characters do something that looks like it (Thor totally does the Mighty Tornado and Mighty Punish against the Destroyer in his first movie evil grin).

So with that tv spot I'm finally starting to notice that while Marvel is giving us a tiny bit more with each spot, it's always little bits of the same two or three scenes with very little outside of them. Which always gets me a bit more excited, because it probably means there's stuff they're intentionally trying to avoid letting us know about.

edited 25th Mar '15 10:46:46 PM by KnownUnknown

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#29864: Mar 25th 2015 at 11:12:43 PM

If we distract him with a Captain America game, that'll keep him far away from Metroid.

I...don't think that Kojima has had anything to do with Metroid. At all.

[up][up] Eh, he'll just restart.

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29865: Mar 25th 2015 at 11:25:53 PM

He doesn't. Some people in the Metroid thread have been talking about a hypothetical where Kojima directs a Metroid game to follow up on that Federation corruption stuff.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29866: Mar 25th 2015 at 11:30:07 PM

I wouldn't mind Kojima making a Zone of Enders-esque Pacific Rim game.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29867: Mar 25th 2015 at 11:31:40 PM

[up][up] I see. Interesting. And this isn't an idea you're fond of?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29868: Mar 25th 2015 at 11:37:16 PM

Kojima doesn't handle female characters super great and I'm not crazy about the Federation corrupt plot anyway since it feels like an umpteen other things. Especially since the plot was poorly handled in Other M, which just rehashed Fusion's plot but set it earlier and dumber.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#29869: Mar 26th 2015 at 6:51:52 AM

I notice this TV spot doesn't have any Hawkeye in it. Neither does it have the twins, but he was in Avengers 1.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29870: Mar 26th 2015 at 7:01:59 AM

Hawkeye figure.

The full cover to the new Avengers got revealed btw: Lady Thor, Captain!Falcon, Iron Man, Miles Morales!Spider-Man, Sam/Kid!Nova, Ms. Marvel and Vision.

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#29871: Mar 26th 2015 at 8:21:26 AM

Though it's just as well. "Revenge of the prior villain" plots aren't anywhere near as effective in films as they are in series that get more installments.

That's because it's a lazy story. "Remember that guy who already got defeated? We couldn't think of anything to put here, so now he's back for another crushing defeat while we come up with a real villain for next week's episode!" Raza's return would basically be exactly that: the guy who couldn't even be a credible threat to an unarmored Stane is back to take down Iron Man! The suspense, as audiences try to figure out how he could possibly think he stands a chance! The mystery, as audiences wonder why we would film this!

Ultimately, few studios want to spend three to five years in development and $200 million on the film equivalent of an anime Filler Episode.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29873: Mar 26th 2015 at 8:25:32 AM

It's one of the frequent complaints about the first three X-Men movies (though obviously they did eventually get better with this later what with the Hellfire Club, the Sentinels and now Apocalypse in the recent movies). You have this whole rich rogues gallery of villains you could use and you keep going back to the Magneto and the Brotherhood well.

I do think the MCU could handle it slightly better with a team like the Masters of Evil though since that's a different dynamic than just bringing back an old bad guy again.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29874: Mar 26th 2015 at 8:29:32 AM

The fact that practically all of them are Legacy Characters plus Vision reminds me heavily of Young Avengers. Also the fact that half of them are teens.

edited 26th Mar '15 9:47:13 AM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29875: Mar 26th 2015 at 9:16:29 AM

The funny thing I realized is everyone keeps trying to assure people via interviews that Hawkeye has a bigger role and won't be wallpaper like last time, but he's the only returning Avenger who doesn't speak in the trailers. I think the only time we've heard him talk was the TV spot and the extended trailer with the party scene from a few months ago.

edited 26th Mar '15 9:18:07 AM by comicwriter


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