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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#29801: Mar 24th 2015 at 2:30:37 PM

I am definitely Yea on Antman, and on Rudd. To my logic, Age Of Ultron is the franchise money-maker to keep things ticking over, Antman is this years shot at a Guardians Of The Galaxy type experimental piece, connected to the main MCU but not yet integral and allowing them to take a few chances they might not have done with a 'headline' Avenger. I personally reckon Rudd's got better dramatic chops than maybe some credit him with, and it will be interesting to see how much of Edgar Wright's influence is still present, if any.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29802: Mar 24th 2015 at 2:51:42 PM

That new Iron Man suit looks gorgeous. /Technology Porn

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29803: Mar 24th 2015 at 4:38:37 PM

So anyone hoping that despite the TV-MA rating, Daredevil will still have that charm, cleverness, and fun that made the other stuff from the MCU great?

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#29804: Mar 24th 2015 at 4:44:10 PM

[up] *raises hand* But, yeah, gritty is okay, but I hope it doesn't lose the fun of the rest of the MCU.

edited 24th Mar '15 4:44:24 PM by DeathsApprentice

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29805: Mar 24th 2015 at 4:48:09 PM

Dude, you've complained about this every other page, relax.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29806: Mar 24th 2015 at 6:48:18 PM

I'm fine with gritty for Daredevil. Which is not to say it cannot have humour, Noir films have a lot of humor in the dry wit of its protagonists and they're usually very gritty, but I like Daredevil as morally conflicted and suffering like a Catholic Lawyer Vigiliante.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29807: Mar 24th 2015 at 10:55:25 PM

Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but I feel like it could've been a lot more, y'know? Carol is fun but a little generic, when they could've used the chance to really redefine her the way Brubaker did with Bucky, or Fraction did with Hawkeye.

Did she need to be redefined, though? What bold new direction could they have taken her?

Also, does the alcoholism need to be brought up if it's not important to the plot? Maybe the writers just weren't interested in exploring that?

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29808: Mar 24th 2015 at 11:17:28 PM

Carol, in her own book, has been daringly redefined as a superhero who doesn't get the shit kicked out of her by life for a change.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29809: Mar 24th 2015 at 11:22:35 PM

[up] So...not a superhero in the Marvel universe?

(Okay, yeah, Carol's had it pretty rough.)

edited 24th Mar '15 11:24:34 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#29810: Mar 24th 2015 at 11:25:31 PM

Yea on Ant Man, we'll see on Paul Rudd, since I've never seen any of his movies.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29811: Mar 24th 2015 at 11:46:46 PM

Not to mention the whole "nigh-permanently absorbed by Rogue" bit.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29812: Mar 25th 2015 at 2:52:12 AM

Reason why Vin Diesel is the best number #163.

(Also the new Avengers cover got updated to show Vision and Kid/Sam!Nova)

edited 25th Mar '15 8:01:39 AM by LordofLore

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#29814: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:24:38 AM

Okay, well... that guy spent entirely too much time on Loki for me to take him seriously.

I mean, really? You're going to complain that Loki's death scene in Thor the Dark World was bad because it didn't have any foreshadowing? Because it seemed real and evoked real emotions? Well, yes, that's what happens when the Not God of Lies who specializes in illusions decides to fake his death. It is going to be convincing. It takes Loki's trickiness to a meta-level, not only did he fool Thor into thinking he'd changed and had died a hero instead of a villain, he tricked the audience.

And from there, the only people he had anything resembling a point about are Coulson and Fury. But even Fury has the excuse of being Nick Fury. With all the people who must be trying to kill him, it's no surprise he has contigencies and ways to avoid it. He's a superspy in a world full of super-people, naturally those means would be extraordinary in scope.

As for Pepper and Groot? No. They were noted to be injecting Pepper with Extremis, which grants regenerative abilities... and we already knew Groot's powers did the same. So, if he let himself be fooled, that's not on Marvel, because those two surviving wasn't exactly out of nowhere.

I don't think knowing that the characters survived takes away anything from their deaths (except Loki, but again, part of the point). I accidentally spoiled myself going into Guardians that Groot was going to fake-die, and I still cried at it. Because it's not just about the characters dying. It's about watching how other people react to it, seeing how much they care about these characters and how they feel about possibly never seeing them again.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29815: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:28:23 AM

Since when do we care about Cracked?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#29816: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:31:42 AM

Everyone cares about Cracked. Didn't you know? They're the only place on the internet where humor exists. Ditto for videos. It says so in their slogan, and everything Cracked says is true, so that must be too.

edited 25th Mar '15 8:32:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#29817: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:35:28 AM

I like 'em, but they seem to go back and forth between 'Marvel is cool' and 'Marvel isn't so great and the whole superhero fad is going to collapse' (which it will... eventually, so you don't get a prize for guessing that) on a semi-regular basis. I know it's different people with different opinions, but it gets a little strange at times.

edited 25th Mar '15 8:37:13 AM by edvedd

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29818: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:37:32 AM

I think the editors just allow any article involving Marvel to be published because clickbait.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#29819: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:40:40 AM

Like I said, I have nothing against them, but I'm never sure how they feel about Marvel exactly.

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#29820: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:44:12 AM

...you guys realize that Cracked has multiple columnists and writers and nearly all of their articles are opinion pieces, right? "Cracked" doesn't have an opinion on anything; its many writers do, and they are not a hivemind.

edited 25th Mar '15 8:44:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#29821: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:50:17 AM

They still have the same general style though. I think Cracked can be pretty funny, but I've started to ignore what they have to say about popular culture like Marvel (except After Hours) though, as if often gets kinda annoying.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29824: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:57:36 AM

We already knew about telekinesis, but that mind manipulation is new.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#29825: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:00:55 AM

Well, it's inferred by all the details we've been able to gather from the trailers.

So she's very different from her comic counterpart. Overall less powerful.

edited 25th Mar '15 9:05:44 AM by edvedd

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