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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29651: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:18:59 PM

My expectation for Ant-Man is it'll be a solid if not necessarily remarkable entree. I'm confident it will at least be better than Iron Man 2 (despite both having problems with Troubled Production I feel like Marvel has their shit together better this time around) and Thor 2 (I think the premise is more interesting but that's just me since I've never been a big fan of movie Thor).

[up] No, word is they're combining the two plotlines together. As much as I like movie Bucky I don't think a separate movie about that subplot would have enough meat to make a full movie and still be interesting to people outside the more hardcore Captain America movie fans. Despite my reservations about the choice of Civil War as a plotline I can still think of a number of ways he'd be incorporated into the storyline, though a few of them have been Jossed already.

edited 22nd Mar '15 9:25:15 PM by AlleyOop

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#29652: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:21:16 PM

[up][up] I'm expecting an official announcement from Marvel that Sebastian Stan's gonna be in Civil War any day now, but it's widely assumed that the Winter Soldier will be in the movie.

edited 22nd Mar '15 9:21:30 PM by higherbrainpattern

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29653: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:26:03 PM

[up]They haven't said the actor's name directly yet, probably to avoid a Late-Arrival Spoiler, but it's already been confirmed several times that the Winter Soldier is definitely going to be in it.

edited 22nd Mar '15 9:27:19 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29654: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:26:04 PM

Marvel hasn't given an official press release of the cast but Anthony Russo said Winter Soldier is absolutely in the film.

He said that he was really happy the way the film has shaped up. "We've been preparing for the movie since the one debuted last year, so we've been working on it for a long time now. Captain America 3 is gonna be called Captain America: Civil War, and it's going to star Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson will be back, Winter Soldier will be back, and Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man will also be joining us in the next film," he said, as quoted by Collider.

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#29655: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:26:39 PM

The Thor movies remain my favorite out of the MCU as far as like the main series goes. Granted, it could be a complete bastardization of the comics but I wouldn't know. I went in to the first one with low expectations, only watching it because it was on Netflix and I knew I'd have to at some point and I fell in love with it.

I don't know what it is about em. I just find both movies charming in this weird little way. Needs More Love imo.

"A king has no friends. Only subjects and enemies."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29656: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:58:24 PM

Black Widow and Captain America also developed an intimate relationship in "Captain America: Winter Soldier" and it is expected that their romance will be the focal point of the film.

Eh hehehehe.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29659: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:07:31 PM

[up][up][up] I...I was about to say they never even kissed, but that's not actually true. But there really is nothing there to indicate romance...at all.

edited 22nd Mar '15 10:07:45 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#29660: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:08:31 PM

The main ting I'm hoping for in Civil War is that they, for the love of everything right in the world, DON'T turn Iron Man into a borderline Complete Monster like they did in the comic's take.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#29661: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:09:43 PM

[up][up] Well, you know how shippers are. (Who needs evidence? Just look at what this wiki considers to be Ho Yay!)

edited 22nd Mar '15 10:10:08 PM by DrFurball

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#29662: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:11:27 PM

Yeah, come on. It was beyond obvious what their relationship was and wasn't. Friendship yes.

Besides, everyone's on the Bruce x Nat train these days.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29663: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:23:00 PM

I did think Steve and Natasha had enough natural chemistry for a proper romantic relationship to develop far, far down the line if either one was interested enough in seriousness. Plus he seemed to enjoy that kiss a lot more than he wanted to. But yeah, the movie made it abundantly clear they weren't like that at all.

Personally I'd be really happy if they went the Steve/Bucky route, since they have what I consider a legitimate case for Ho Yay, Steve/Peggy was doomed from the getgo (sad) and it's now too late for Steve/Sharon without ruining the rest of the movie in the process. But I don't think Marvel's going to touch that with a ten-foot pole.

edited 22nd Mar '15 11:16:55 PM by AlleyOop

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29664: Mar 22nd 2015 at 11:08:51 PM

[up] Well, there has been a lack of LGBT representation, and if there was any, I must have missed it...

Oh God! Natural light!
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#29665: Mar 22nd 2015 at 11:11:50 PM

Victoria Hand, who is gay in the comics, appeared in Agents of SHIELD. But her sexuality wasn't brought up at all And she died, so...

edited 22nd Mar '15 11:12:04 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#29667: Mar 22nd 2015 at 11:35:33 PM

Wait, did they actually say that?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29669: Mar 22nd 2015 at 11:42:13 PM

There's also that one prisoner in the Mandarin one-shot. Maybe?

I'd be OK with just Bucky being gay/bi and Steve being straight, especially if they're planning to do the Death of Captain America plot. Civil War is already stuffed as it is and doesn't need a love story on top, especially if it ends with what could be mistaken for Bury Your Gays. You could even make a decent case for the Anti Goggles crowd that Bucky hasn't been shown in any serious relationships yet and arguably has a lot more in common with Arnie Roth who was gay than Ultimates!Bucky. Also, it might be less likely to be Banned in China, considering how important the Chinese market is to Marvel these days.

edited 22nd Mar '15 11:56:29 PM by AlleyOop

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#29670: Mar 22nd 2015 at 11:47:26 PM

[up][up][up]I do remember actually reading that in an interview with Jed Whedon about the show. I'll see about tracking it down.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#29671: Mar 22nd 2015 at 11:47:36 PM

Damn shame about Hand.

She was hot.
Just being honest.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29672: Mar 23rd 2015 at 12:29:52 AM

Isn't it sad that my favourite canon pairing of the MCU is Steve/Peggy by far? The one pairing which can never be!

I expect that Ultron will be a financial success, but if it will be a critical too naturally depends on the movie. Ant-man will struggle more, but if the movie is decent or even good, I am not worried about the Box office either.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29673: Mar 23rd 2015 at 12:30:58 AM

If they turned around and made Cap/Widow a romantic thing I will be most aggrieved, as the fact that Steve and Nat were the leads, with prominent chemistry that wasn't at all romantic, was one of my favorite things about the characterization in that movie.

But since I don't think they will...

I'm expecting an official announcement from Marvel that Sebastian Stan's gonna be in Civil War any day now, but it's widely assumed that the Winter Soldier will be in the movie.

Sebastian Stan won't be in. Civil War will be guest starring the Winter Soldier as himself.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#29675: Mar 23rd 2015 at 12:36:29 AM

[up][up][up]It's my favorite pairing, too, by far. Agent Carter has only made me ship Steggy harder. sad

edited 23rd Mar '15 12:36:37 AM by DeathsApprentice

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