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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#29576: Mar 20th 2015 at 10:34:00 PM

I'm not an expert on nukes but I do know that they rely on precise activation of atomic reactions. Presumably if enough of the missile is vaporized, then the explosion can't occur.

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#29577: Mar 21st 2015 at 1:38:19 AM

Making a nuke nonfunctional isn't exactly "child's play", but it's not that difficult either. Modern devices rely on very strict timing of the functions leading to deploying a packet of Instant Sunshine(tm).

The real problem, however, is what happens with the bomb components. Exposure to Plutonium, for example, is hardly conducive to one's long-term health, especially if it's broken up into smaller pieces that can get inside the body (particularly dust; see the terrorist guard from The Sum of All Fears who accidentally inhaled some dust from shavings created when the bad guys were remanufacturing the Pu they had acquired, for the nuke in Denver) more easily.

Really, it would have been somewhat of a shit sandwich no matter which way you did things, if not going for what actually happened in the movie.

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#29578: Mar 21st 2015 at 8:11:01 AM

I imagine Tony would have quickly deactivated it and then forced the dead nuke to crash somewhere in the combat zone. They can then deal with the remains once the battle is over.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29579: Mar 21st 2015 at 10:30:48 AM

I figure the various characteristics of the Helicarrier's nuclear weapons were just part of the bundle of info he stole from SHIELD's databanks, so he already had access to the information about the timer and just had Jarvis bring it up.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29580: Mar 21st 2015 at 10:44:07 PM

So if I'm getting this right, apparently the MCU's version of the SHRA will be initiated by world governments rather than by Tony Stark, and his role in it is going to be more passive as an enforcer rather than its orchestrator? That already sounds like a huge step up since it makes Tony come off as less of a tyrant or strawman compared to the comics.

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#29581: Mar 21st 2015 at 11:14:46 PM

In Captain America, Natasha tries to set Steve up with the "nurse" that lives next to him. Did she know Sharon was a sheild agent?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29582: Mar 22nd 2015 at 12:07:52 AM

[up][up] It clears up something I was wondering about, too: we've been told that the plot is going to be a serious issue for T'Challa, with him taking a "choose a side" role similar to Spider-Man's, which made no sense if like the comics the Act was going to be an American thing. It being a "the entire world chooses to pass this policy" thing is probably also going to lend some weight to it being fairly... messy.

It also makes this movie's subtitle "Captain America vs The World."

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#29584: Mar 22nd 2015 at 12:17:59 AM

Well, with the dismal failure of the third movie, I don't think we have to worry all that much. tongue

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#29585: Mar 22nd 2015 at 12:46:28 AM

[up][up] Why, would it do badly?

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#29586: Mar 22nd 2015 at 6:30:53 AM

Nah, it's just a joke because Scott Pilgrim opened against The Expendables and did poorly.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#29587: Mar 22nd 2015 at 7:34:26 AM

Expendables 4 should just further throw caution aside and have the villain team consist of The Predator, The Terminator, a velocraptor and a Xenomorph.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29588: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:26:51 AM

That'd require someone other than Stallone wanting to see or make another Expendables.

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#29589: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:32:55 AM

If it had a predator, a xenomorph, a terminator and a velociraptor working together as a sort of legion of doom, I would absolutely see it regardless of quality.

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Especially if the velociraptor was accurately sized and not movie sized.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29590: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:35:30 AM

@940131 Probably, not sure if she knows she's Peggy's niece though. Actually I don't know if Sharon is still Peggy's niece in this universe. They've been pretty wishywashy on avoiding confirming that directly.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29591: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:48:22 AM

[up]I think she is probably still related to Peggy but they just didn't want to broach the subject. There was already so much going on in that movie that dropping that and exploring it probably would have eaten up too much screentime.

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#29592: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:57:57 AM

So if I'm getting this right, apparently the MCU's version of the SHRA will be initiated by world governments rather than by Tony Stark, and his role in it is going to be more passive as an enforcer rather than its orchestrator? That already sounds like a huge step up since it makes Tony come off as less of a tyrant or strawman compared to the comics.

No, that's pretty much exactly like the comics, except replace "United States Government" with "World Governments". In the comics, Tony was against the Registration Act and was the only person actually doing anything about it, making speeches in Washington to discourage the U.S. from passing the law. When the Stamford Disaster happened and it became evident that the law was going to pass no matter what they do, Tony turned around and started urging other superheroes that, "We have to get on top of this thing, take control of it, and mold it into a form that is palatable to us rather than allow our fate to be decided without our input."

Tony was always an enforcer, not orchestrator, of the Registration Act. The orchestrator of the act was the U.S. Senate responding to widespread panic regarding the damage caused by super-battles in the nation.

edited 22nd Mar '15 10:00:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29593: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:58:02 AM

[up][up]To be honest, it would be a little bit messed up either way.

edited 22nd Mar '15 10:02:54 AM by Swanpride

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#29594: Mar 22nd 2015 at 9:59:26 AM

Tony's biggest flaw was being absolutely shit at explaining his position.

Also the fascist stuff wasn't good either.

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#29595: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:02:39 AM

Yeah. Tony was trying to beat the Registration Act from within by folding it under the Avengers' control and making it something better than the panic-stricken progenitors would have it be. Captain America was trying to beat the Registration Act from without by somehow punching enough people to defeat United States Law.

edited 22nd Mar '15 10:04:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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#29596: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:03:30 AM

Captain America was a fool.

His real enemy was bad writing.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29597: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:04:02 AM

Clearly he should've punched more writers.

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#29598: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:05:12 AM

Marvel comics does (or did?) exist within the marvel universe.

He could have done it if he had only thought to.

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#29599: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:06:07 AM

Yes, he should have.

The conflict was ultimately shackled in its conception by the fact that, in order to even justify the presence of a conflict, Stark was given a bunch of needlessly dictatorial actions to take that put the focus on him rather than the actual issue at hand, while Rogers was given a pointless cause with no possible victory condition. It stopped being about the Registration Act almost immediately and became Tyrant Stark versus Rebel Without A Cause Rogers.

edited 22nd Mar '15 10:07:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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#29600: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:07:10 AM

[up][up] 'So what you think you've just explained to us is-'

"That's right! This comic company is writing our own universe!"

edited 22nd Mar '15 10:07:42 AM by KnownUnknown


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