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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Well, if they have a world security council, the UN might be stronger in the MCU. I imagine in a world with people of mass destruction The Cold War might have been a little more destructive, (Imagine the Karla trilogy, but where Karla could blow up cities) so it might have motivated a global peacekeeping force.
I mean, keep in mind, the H in SHIELD stands by 'Homeland' which explicitly refers to the entire planet earth.
Incidentally, The Karla trilogy but with superpowers is my ideal hypothetical film franchise.
By the way, who were the Council members from Winter Soldier supposed to be exactly? I'm less familiar with Marvel canon where SHIELD is concerned. I got the feeling they were from various countries, maybe they were the MCU equivalent of UN ?
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.The UN exists in the MCU if you trust Agents of Shield. One episode deals with an attack at the UN headquarters (and the UN's response to SHIELD's implosion is a subplot running through the show) so the World Council of Avengers and Winter Soldier were probably a different organization (but possibly inter-connected).
As far as I'm aware, they have no comic equivalent.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Never mind, got
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edited 20th Mar '15 3:02:45 PM by C105
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.In their defense, the nuke probably would have worked.
It would have killed tons of people and left Manhattan a heavily irradiated no man's land for decades to come, but it probably would have ended the invasion. Even with its forcefield, it's unlikely the portal generator would be able to continue generating the portal once the building it rests upon suffers Critical Existence Failure, hurling or dropping the generator hundreds of feet until it to shatters into a million pieces on its own impenetrable forcefield as it hits the ground.
It's a terribly brute force method of shutting down the generator and, as I said, it would have horrific consequences for the city of New York and the global economy, but the aliens would be stopped.
edited 20th Mar '15 3:05:39 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.A Phyrric Victory is still technically a victory.
One could argue that losing a city is better than losing the entire planet, which is the standpoint they were arguing from. Once the city falls to the aliens and becomes a staging ground for full-scale invasion, it's too late to just throw a nuke at them.
edited 20th Mar '15 3:07:43 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It's an interesting idea. I wonder if Loki or Selvig accounted for that when building the device...
Oh God! Natural light!I would consider losing the city to the aliens and allowing them to wage an unwinnable war against the entire planet to be a failure, personally.
but would it still be open without the generator sustaining it? The portal has No Ontological Inertia. There is a constant stream of energy coming from the generator, and the portal dissipates almost immediately once that stream is cut.
edited 20th Mar '15 3:19:18 PM by TobiasDrake
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x2 I think you're ignoring the fact that they already had, at the very least if you feel the need to discount Hawkeye, Black Widow and the NYPD- A giant green rage monster, a man in a super-advanced suit of powered armour, a Norse god, and America's biggest war hero.
The city wasn't going to be lost. And it was reckless to consider the nuclear option above all other possibilities. No one fucking does that, because it's stupid to sacrifice thousands of innocent lives when there are plenty of other options.
edited 20th Mar '15 3:26:07 PM by Mukora
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."@Mukora It would've been a victory in that Loki and the aliens were prevented from conquering the entirety of Earth. To the WSC, the loss of Manhattan would've been an acceptable sacrifice for something that put a conclusive end to the invaders and protected the wellbeing of the entire planet.
@Hodor2 For all his faults Tony doesn't seem like the kind of person to be racist against metahumans or to be OK with that attitude among the members of whatever watchdog organization he'd head. Although it would be amusing just for the Bucky/Hei parallels.
edited 20th Mar '15 3:44:11 PM by AlleyOop
Well, that's kinda the point in Fury's refusal to launch the nuke. As far as he was concerned, sacrificing the entirety of Manhatten was such a horrendous act that they may as well risk letting the whole world fall rather than do that.
The WSC's position is that either they nuke Manhatten, ending the war with ONLY Manhatten being destroyed, or they don't do anything, in which case Manhatten is destroyed anyway AND the rest of the world is as well. They had no faith in the Avengers being able to close the portal on their own.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Is there a single war in recorded history where one side reacted to losing territory with "let's turn the lost territory into a barren wasteland"? As opposed to "let's turn the territory that was always the enemy's into a barren wasteland"?
I mean, did occupied France try to blow themselves up for the good of Europe? Was that a thing that happened?
What I wanna know is why the hell the WSC didn't give the order for the nuke to be shot up into the portal, and Stark had to think of that himself.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Interesting rumors.
I really hope Quicksilver doesn't die, but what interests me the most is Hulk's apparent disappearance.
Oh God! Natural light!

Its mostly dumbass paranoid john bircher people whose beliefs than infect the rest of the populace.
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