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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29476: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:27:59 AM

[up]Above all it might tone down the "how convenient that the shield always ends up back with him" complains.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29477: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:40:21 AM

It's a nice inversion of anti-shield-magnets from The Winter Soldier.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29478: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:40:38 AM

MINIATURE TRANSISTORS!

I remember that after it was revealed that Cap's WWII shield was his vibranium one, they retconned it so that Cap used the radio-control shield mostly because he was too polite to turn it down and everyone is a little sheepish over it in the future.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29479: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:46:12 AM

I cheered a little when Cap threw his motorcycle.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#29480: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:46:16 AM

About Quicksilver's accent, is it just a British accent? Or is the actor making something up on top of that?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29481: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:50:09 AM

[up] Definitely not British. Hard to tell, but I guess Eastern European.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29482: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:52:24 AM

He's from a made-up country, "Sovokia" I think.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29483: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:54:51 AM

Definitely some sort of Eastern European accent. I notice Scarlet Witch hasn't said anything for these trailers. Really hoping she'll be coherent and not like River.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#29484: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:04:42 PM

I assumed it was Russian.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29485: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:06:29 PM

[up][up][up]In my opinion they should have used the also made-up country of Slorenia instead(it's the country that 616!Ultron kills in one of its iconic stories).

edited 19th Mar '15 12:06:43 PM by LordofLore

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29486: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:07:57 PM

Thats the one where they had to make up a new bullshit form of admantium, right?

I like how it includes Thor saying the thing.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#29487: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:11:26 PM

@Heatth: Sounds vaguely polish or ukrainian, to me, though I wouldn't discount southern slavs. Definitely something slavic. Given the comics, I'm guessing they're eastern european half-jews half-roma.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29488: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:20:31 PM

[up][up]"Antarctic Vibranium" which conveniently turns out to be Ultron's one weakness. Though to the writer's credit it was apparently mentioned before in some super obscure story so it wasn't a COMPLETE Ass Pull.

edited 19th Mar '15 12:21:05 PM by comicwriter

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#29490: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:30:47 PM

Given the name of their fictional home and the Eastern Europeanness I would assume it's meant to be in the Baltics.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29491: Mar 19th 2015 at 1:09:53 PM

Btw, 616!Quicksilver's birth country is called Transia and is also a made-up country that is located between Romania and Serbia.

Interview with one of the stars of Ant-Man.

edited 19th Mar '15 1:12:00 PM by LordofLore

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#29492: Mar 19th 2015 at 2:44:53 PM

I'm not fond of made up countries. It feels to me that it removes Marvel from being a relateble image of the real world.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29493: Mar 19th 2015 at 2:55:00 PM

They couldn't go with Transylvania?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#29494: Mar 19th 2015 at 3:07:09 PM

[up]Since this is the comics going with Transylvania would have meant that Dracula would have to be involved instead of the High Evolutionary.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#29495: Mar 19th 2015 at 3:07:55 PM

[up][up][up]Meh. They've already made up massive corporations and multinational defense forces.

edited 19th Mar '15 3:08:07 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29496: Mar 19th 2015 at 4:44:19 PM

Not to mention Wakanda.

I figure it's really because they don't want to offend whichever country in Europe they'd have picked if it gets portrayed as a warzone place where supervillains come from.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29497: Mar 19th 2015 at 4:59:30 PM

But Quicksilver isn't supposed to be a straightforward villain. I get it with Wakanda to a certain degree because they wanted a whole society around the vibranium issue, and it does work quite nicely as a placeholder for a commentary about the relationship between Western countries and those which have useful resources. But why not saying Quicksilver is from some existing country (or even one which doesn't exist anymore since the wars in the 1990s)? I mean Natasha can be Russian, too, right?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29498: Mar 19th 2015 at 5:10:57 PM

The first Civil War synopsis:

Following the events of Age of Ultron, the collective governments of the world pass an act designed to regulate all superhuman activity. This polarizes opinion amongst the Avengers, causing two factions to side with Iron Man or Captain America, which causes an epic battle between former allies.

RE: The Maximoff twins, they might simply think using a real country or conflict would be kind of tasteless. The same way Iron Man had the Ten Rings as an Expy of various extremist groups instead of having Tony Stark literally beat up Al-Quaeda or another existing radical group.

I'm also not sure what if any wars are currently going on in that part of the world so it might not even fit the story if they made the Maximoff twins from a real country.

edited 19th Mar '15 5:17:53 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29499: Mar 19th 2015 at 5:30:14 PM

Wars in Europe? Ukraine. It's the one which makes the most noise currently.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29500: Mar 19th 2015 at 5:30:36 PM

@Whowho

Me neither. Made up Throw Away Countries and Where the Hell Is Springfield? were always pet peeve tropes of mine in the original comics, and using fictional places takes away from the "grounded" feel that makes a lot of the MCU appealing (and one of the aspects I prefer the way Marvel does it compared to DC). I can understand it's a necessity for places like Wakanda or Kun-lun which have no real-world equivalents to speak of, but imagine if the first half of Iron Man 1 took place in a Qurac instead of Afghanistan.

[up][up]Metal Gear Rising had Abkhazia, which a lot of people think is a Ruritania but is a real place. And I guess Nagorno-Karabakh. They're more like the Caucasus region than what we normally think of as Eastern Europe, but such areas are significantly underrepresented in Western media.

edited 19th Mar '15 5:46:42 PM by AlleyOop


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