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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#29452: Mar 18th 2015 at 11:04:17 AM

I haven't seen it yet. Terrible as in 'poor quality' or as in 'inspiring terror'?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29454: Mar 18th 2015 at 11:28:59 AM

I would say it is a polarizing episode...I think it was pretty great, and the AV Club gave it an A-. I guess it depends on what you expected. They played up in the promos a big fight, but that part was actually the weakest of the ep...everything else was pretty great, though.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29456: Mar 18th 2015 at 1:11:58 PM

Aww, not even allowed to reveal which Zemo he is?

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#29457: Mar 18th 2015 at 1:41:08 PM

As long as his mask is permanently adhered to his face.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29458: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:07:34 PM

I doubt they'll actually have him wear the Zemo mask, at least for any significant amount of time. That kind of thing just looks Narmy in live action plus it's inconvenient to talk and emote through. Not to mention all the comparisons to Bane in a bad way.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29459: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:11:13 PM

Maybe this film will have the incident where his mask is fused to his face.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29460: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:11:39 PM

If his mask isn't seared onto his face then there's a good chance he's Helmut, not Heinrich.

Helmut makes more sense anyway: Heinrich's thing was (iirc) Mad Science and more straightforward supervillainy, whereas Helmut was more of a manipulator - both politically and against his opponents, which makes more sense given the plot Civil War is likely to have.

Not to mention his character being the son of the original Zemo allows the first Zemo to have been involved in HYDRA when it first started for a good Mythology Gag, and gives more credence to someone as apparently young as this Zemo is going to be having so much apparent pull in HYDRA.

edited 18th Mar '15 3:14:19 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29461: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:36:18 PM

The funny thing about Zemo Jr. is that he eventually got his face healed only to get it disfigured again by a completely different person in a completely different way.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29463: Mar 18th 2015 at 4:09:30 PM

I highly doubt it would be Helmut at this point. There's not much for him to do except to serve as C-list villain fodder and threaten to bloat an already crowded story even more. The MCU has already long move past his most famous accomplishment of taking Cap and Bucky out of commission. Helmut has a lot more storytelling potential with the Masters of Evil, although I doubt they'd actually call them that in the films since it's so campy and morally transparent.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29464: Mar 18th 2015 at 4:15:47 PM

Maybe he's just a big Dr. Evil fan.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#29465: Mar 18th 2015 at 4:43:24 PM

I feel like the name Masters of Evil will most likely be a Mythology Gag, courtesy of Tony Stark making a Star Wars crack at Zemo.

"HYDRA shall be the new master of this world!". "Only a master of evil, Darth."

edited 18th Mar '15 4:47:25 PM by Nightwire

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29466: Mar 18th 2015 at 9:28:05 PM

My initial idea for the Masters might go would have involved Zemo or a representative essentially being the Anti-Fury: showing up in the Stinger and revealing themselves to a surviving villain, offering power, training, revenge, etc. Each time he would use some kind of play on the word "master" in his dialogue.

For example, in the training situation, something like: "you have vision, but you are but an amateur. With our help, you can become a... Master." Or somesuch hint.

However, Phase 2 wasn't the best when it came to giving villains permanence (or villains in general, tbh) with the exception of Winter Soldier, so I kind of gave up on that happening for now. If Zemo survives Civil War, however, it'd be pretty cool for the Masters thing to happen after that.

In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that they already pulled that with Crossbones and perhaps Malekith, Zemo spending Civil War unblemished only to be scarred by Cap in the climax would be a pretty good way to deal with the disfigured/mask thing.

edited 18th Mar '15 9:28:23 PM by KnownUnknown

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#29467: Mar 19th 2015 at 4:52:00 AM

I just want a Thunderbolts so badly, damn it.

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#29468: Mar 19th 2015 at 7:06:25 AM

[up][up][up] Tony Stark on the Infinity Gauntlet: "I love the Power Glove. It's so bad."

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29469: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:22:22 AM

[up][up][up]That's actually what I'm hoping for well. Hopefully Moonstone is introduced in some capacity in Captain Marvel.

Another motion poster. Looks like a tease of the red costume and Avengers Tower in the background.

edited 19th Mar '15 9:24:49 AM by comicwriter

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#29470: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:28:19 AM

I'm so hyped for Daredevil. So, so hyped. Charlie Cox seems like he's going to kill it as Matt Murdock.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29472: Mar 19th 2015 at 10:40:07 AM

Quicksilver has an accent? Huh.

Just realized we haven't heard the twin speak until now. Wanda hasn't spoken yet, though.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29473: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:06:32 AM

That is a great one! I didn't think that I could be more hyped but...Quicksilver has an accent!!! (yeah, I know, odd thing to be happy about, but I want the Avengers to be more international).

Mmmm...I want to step out of that door, too.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#29474: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:20:50 AM

That accent is perfect; makes Quicksilver 300% more cocky douche.

And DAMN Hulk looks good. The CGI has come on so freaking well.

Also, hitting the shield with the hammer? Inspired. "How does that work?""Awesominess."

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29475: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:24:55 AM

I just realized at 0:20 Cap has his magnetic gauntlet to control the shield that he briefly had in the comics during the 60's. What a nice, obscure Mythology Gag!

edited 19th Mar '15 11:28:37 AM by comicwriter


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