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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#29401: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:12:39 PM

I don't feel anything. The way I see it, MCU is just an alternate Earth. It's almost *almost* fanfiction, no offense. They can do whatever the heck they want. Well, except turning... No, nevermind.

edited 17th Mar '15 6:16:03 PM by zsax

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#29403: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:27:36 PM

[up] I resent that. Especially the way you used it.

(It's a movie universe created by Marvel after all.)

edited 17th Mar '15 6:27:42 PM by MadSkillz

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#29404: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:37:13 PM

[up][up][up] It's not fanfiction. It's a live-action Marvel Universe, created by Marvel. Of course it's not going to be the same as the comics; besides being convuluted as hell, comics contain a lot of extraneous elements that are unnecessary or nigh-impossible to adapt on the big screen.

edited 17th Mar '15 6:40:22 PM by higherbrainpattern

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Funny but not helpful
#29405: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:40:32 PM

[up][up][up][up] I think you'll find Pym was bigger than them frequently.

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zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#29406: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:44:48 PM

Apologies. That is why is used the *almost*. I'm not saying you can't enjoy both, I'm just saying that expecting MCU to be in complete synch with the 616 is probably not the best idea. I mean, I never knew Black Widow was a founding member, I never realized that Ultron was made of Vibranium instead of Adamantium, heck I ignored the fact that a cosmic cube was an infinity gem, or... stone. Don't get me wrong, I like both Hank and Janet (Janet better than Hank), but this is just an adaptation, so changes will be made.

edited 17th Mar '15 6:45:28 PM by zsax

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#29407: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:50:50 PM

I'm not sure if having a Wasp and Hank Pym movie in 2010 or 2012 would have made the MCU a more compelling story; the characters don't lend themselves to world building anymore than any other property.

Sure you could lay out ground work for Ultron and the Vision, but outside of explaining who Wonderman was (and possibly his brother The Grim-Reaper too) and, well, building Ultron, there's not much really to be done there. Avengers 2 seems pretty confident in it's ability to introduce those characters anyway.

Also, perhaps it'll affect Hank Pym's story potential if he doesn't have as close a tie with Ultron, but MARVEL's been coy on that, it's perhaps still true that Ultron is based off his brain waves and in which case the relationship between the characters are still valid. Ultron is a horrifying reminder that Hank has some kind of mental disorder in that case.

I get the feeling that had the ANT-MAN film gotten its original 2010 release that it might have been Hank Pym who got mind controlled into making a Tesseract portal, and Hawkeye would have had a reduced, strait up antagonist role while Janet had his role on the Avengers.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#29408: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:02:51 PM

Pretty much any Marvel Comics since Lee, Kirby, and Ditko stopped writing is fanfiction, iddnit? If we define fanfiction as "fiction written by fans" rather than, y'know, "something losers on the Internet do for no money."

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29409: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:08:54 PM

Expanded Universe anything is essentially fanfiction.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#29410: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:14:45 PM

It's not fanfiction. It's a live-action Marvel Universe, created by Marvel. Of course it's not going to be the same as the comics; besides being convuluted as hell, comics contain a lot of extraneous elements that are unnecessary or nigh-impossible to adapt on the big screen.
I kinda wish the MCU was fanfiction.

Just, unleash the fans who write that stuff on a blockbuster movie budget. It would have like a fifty/fifty shot of being really great or utterly terrible.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29411: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:18:23 PM

Isn't the vast majority of fanfiction shit with a few sprinkles of gold here and there?

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#29412: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:19:54 PM

[up][up]Some fanfics I've read make The Room look like Citizen Kane; others, however, are quite entertaining, not awesome! but not bad either.

edited 17th Mar '15 7:20:16 PM by zsax

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#29413: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:21:19 PM

You just described literally everything that ever existed.

I really don't like how people look down on fanfiction, and fanwork in general so much. It just seems really shitty to me. These people are taking the time to express themselves, creatively, with something they love. Is it really necessary to shit on them?

I mean, unless it's something like Garfield Effect. Which is still kinda great in its own weird, super sexist way.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#29414: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:49:31 PM

[up] For real; besides, the vast amount of fanfic is written by teenage girls. Granted, some of it might be...y'know, not good, but fanfic writing can help folks express their feelings creatively. Looking down on fanfic and other fan creations just seems kinda unnecessary to me.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29415: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:05:12 PM

Is anyone else at least a little concerned about how the MCU Netflix shows seem to be scoring TV-MA-ish ratings?

I know it's most likely because they'll touch on stuff that they couldn't throw into PG-13 movies, but part of me is worried that they'll drop F-bombs every 5-10 minutes because of the ratings.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29416: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:08:47 PM

Swearing is not the only way to get a TV-MA. There's also gratuitous violence and sex.

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#29417: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:12:20 PM

I mean, Kingpin was caving in people's heads with his own dome in that Daredevil trailer. I assume that would be violent.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:14:25 PM by edvedd

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29418: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:14:04 PM

[up][up]Well, I know that, but won't the TV-MA ratings hurt DD, JJ, LC, and IF's chances at making potential cameos in future movies?

Another thing I wanted to ask.

Does anyone get the feeling that the more info we get on Captain America: Civil War, the more it seems less like a Captain America movie and more like Avengers 2.5? Not that that's a bad thing or anything, just something I noticed.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:14:21 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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Darling.
#29419: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:15:42 PM

That will probably how things will get the further we go along.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29420: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:17:25 PM

I feel the same way. I honestly don't get why they aren't just making it Avengers: Civil War. It's not like it matters if Thanos makes his move in Avengers 4 instead of 3.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29421: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:24:26 PM

[up] Hmm, they're probably not using the term Avengers to avoid having people assume it'll raise the bar higher than Age of Ultron will inevitably raise it.

Also, just found out from reading the Tropes page on CA: CW that Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist won't show up.

...That kinda sucks. sad

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29422: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:26:27 PM

How could the Avengers fighting each other not be seen as a worthy followup to Ultron? I also don't like that they're not giving the team splitting up more time to impact the universe.

edit: I'm kind of glad they're not in there. We don't know how popular their shows will be and CW already has too many characters in my opinion.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:27:16 PM by Kostya

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29423: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:28:28 PM

They're not calling it Avengers: Civil War because by all accounts from the people involved, the major dramatic focus is still on Captain America. They've said Falcon is in it and it'll continue the plot with the Winter Soldier.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:29:17 PM by comicwriter

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29424: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:32:49 PM

While that may be true I'm having a hard time seeing how the Zemo, Crossbones, and Bucky aspects of the plot will mesh with the Civil War parts without cluttering the narrative.

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#29425: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:33:01 PM

With any luck, Civil War will impact the shows enough to have at least half a season focusing on how it impacts them; at the very least Daredevil can have an arc about it. I don't know how much the main movies impact Agents of Shield since I don't watch it, but I hope there's a strong enough connection between the Netflix shows that they at least get name-dropped or something.

The films seem to utterly ignore Ao S (which is fine by me), but I don't want the same to happen with the Netflix shows.

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