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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#29351: Mar 16th 2015 at 10:27:58 PM

[up][up] Point. I'm just saying that I can't really see him taking up the shield from where his character is now. I suppose Bucky's situation will change in the near future.

Edit:

Saying "Pedro Pascal could be a good Dr Strange" is vastly different from saying "A white guy can't adequately represent the values of America" Which is exactly what was written. As for how moronic you found it I'll admit I was... agitated when I typed it. That doesn't change that the self satisfied "I see a lots of whait gais and thats bad gais" style posts is repetitive, non-constructive and annoying.

Well, I don't think it's "bad" as much as "repetitive".

Anyway, I think that if one of America's virtues is "America is a place where people of many diverse cultures live", then there's a bit of a disconnect when its champion is a white guy in an industry where a large majority of main protagonists - and not just superheroes - are white guys.

edited 16th Mar '15 10:33:58 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29352: Mar 16th 2015 at 10:30:01 PM

I like Falcon and his portrayal in the movie quite a lot, but I just don't think he's had enough screentime or character development to be ready for it, at least not in comparison to War Machine. Bucky Cap currently makes more sense from a pure plot perspective. It's pretty obvious he won't stay a sad hobo forever.

@Canid117 Actually there is a very good reason for diversifying the MCU's movie cast that's based entirely on pragmatism and economic reasons. You know how films like Pacific Rim, Big Hero 6, The Maze Runner, and so on did extremely well at the international box office due to their inclusion of prominent Asian characters? Germans Love David Hasselhoff and Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales is actually a pretty big deal in terms of the box office. Even if the corporate types don't care about being progressive, they should at least realize that diversifying their casts has potent financial benefits.

Diversity is good. I just don't think it should be done through a Race Lift, which I think is the equivalent of bandaging a person dying from heart failure or autoimmune disease. Put priority on adapting interesting nonwhite characters from the source material instead or writing good Canon Foreigners. Not to say Race Lift can never can work though. Being Asian myself, I hereby nominate Iron Fist for this "honor" to wash off that Mighty Whitey stain. Oh, and maybe Spider-Man, just to spite all the hypocrites who say he should be black or Hispanic, but then when someone suggests he should be Asian they come back with all sorts of stupid racist garbage of their own.

edited 16th Mar '15 10:58:08 PM by AlleyOop

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#29353: Mar 16th 2015 at 10:30:32 PM

[up][up][up]I found Falcon to be super cool, too, and I hope he continues to get more exposure. I'd like to see more of him in future MCU movies.

edited 16th Mar '15 10:30:54 PM by DeathsApprentice

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#29354: Mar 16th 2015 at 10:56:47 PM

As an Asian man, I gotta say that I occasionally feel bad for white guys. It can't be easy being another symbol of Everything that's Wrong with the World. tongue

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#29355: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:00:52 PM

I strive to be a humanist and avoid being an apologist. Can't rewrite the past, so I try to keep an open mind in the present in the hope of a better future.

But anyway. Marvel. Movies. Explosions. Joss Whedon. That stuff. Yeah.

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#29356: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:04:19 PM

Uh, I could declare my undying faith that Ant-Man will actually be a worthwhile movie.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29357: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:07:16 PM

It already sounds more compelling than either of the Thor films tongue

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#29358: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:09:13 PM

Yeah I know, Edgar Wright leaving and a not-great first trailer blah blah blah, but I believe, damn it.

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#29359: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:30:35 PM

What? That first trailer was amazing. Like, I'm more excited for Ant-Man, now, than for Age of Ultron.

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#29360: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:41:32 PM

I thought it was OK, but it was a little self-serious.

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#29361: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:59:08 PM

I sorta feel like Marvel could have done better with the trailer just by showing the Comic-Con footage where Ant-Man curbstomped those men-in-black guards. The trailer described the story but didn't do much, in my opinion, to dissipate the public assumption that "Ant-Man is lame because he's small."

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#29362: Mar 17th 2015 at 12:20:27 AM

As an Asian man, I gotta say that I occasionally feel bad for white guys. It can't be easy being another symbol of Everything that's Wrong with the World.

Eh, I don't mind that much. Other people have it worse than I do, I think.

Uh, I could declare my undying faith that Ant-Man will actually be a worthwhile movie.

Hey, I'm excited for it too! I've shown the trailer to a few people, and they thought it was interesting.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#29363: Mar 17th 2015 at 12:35:22 AM

[up][up] Yeah, but that's dumb. It's gotten me so fucking hyped for Ant-Man.

Like, it's gonna be a fucking heist movie featuring two Ant-Men. Awesome.

edited 17th Mar '15 12:36:10 AM by deathpigeon

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#29365: Mar 17th 2015 at 12:49:10 AM

I'm actually pretty hyped for Ant-Man, too! grin It seems like it's gonna be fun!

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29366: Mar 17th 2015 at 1:47:59 AM

I have made a better connection to Falcon in one movie than I have made with War Machine in three. I also wouldn't worry too much...most of the current avengers will soon be gone or fade in the background because the contracts of the actors end. Hopefully that will allow characters like Falcon, Black Panther, Black Widow (if the actress sticks around), Captain Marvel and Scarlett Witch to fill the void.

I am pretty excited about Ant-man, too. Not on "I have to be there the day the movie starts" level, but it is definitely on my watchlist for this year.

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#29367: Mar 17th 2015 at 2:34:35 AM

I'm really hesitant about Ant-Man and Doctor Strange.

They've both done things that kinda dissuade me from being all that excited (Ant-Man killing off Janet before the actual movie, and Doctor Strange having Benedict Cumberbatch, though I'm less upset about that one.)

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#29368: Mar 17th 2015 at 2:59:32 AM

I'm not much upset about Janet because Ant-Man is going to be Scott Lang's story, not Hank Pym's, and they're bringing in Hope van Dyne, and not as a villain, either.

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#29369: Mar 17th 2015 at 3:03:14 AM

Yeah, but I kinda didn't want it to be Pym or Lang's story. In my ideal world, Janet would have gotten her own movie. Or Netflix series. Whatever.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29370: Mar 17th 2015 at 3:50:18 AM

I wouldn't worry just yet....they might add a Wasp to the MCU sooner or later.

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#29371: Mar 17th 2015 at 3:53:49 AM

Well, I assume Hope is going to be Wasp.

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#29372: Mar 17th 2015 at 4:07:53 AM

I really hope it as well (no pun intended). It would be nice to finally have a superpowered female character in the MCU apart from Lady Sif and Extremis!Pepper, both of whom we did not see a lot (though I have yet to watch Agents of SHIELD).

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29373: Mar 17th 2015 at 4:25:58 AM

[up] Oh, as of the second season, there is another superpowered female character in Ao S. And there is also Gamora.

To be fair, most of the male heroes are not superpowered either. Only Steve, Bruce and Thor are. All the others have either nice gadgets or special training.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#29374: Mar 17th 2015 at 4:40:29 AM

There are actually three superpowered women in Agents of SHIELD.

Aside from its problems with black men, it's definitely got the most going for it of the various MCU stuff.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29375: Mar 17th 2015 at 5:01:14 AM

Three? I don't count dead, evil characters or Sif because she is a guest from the Thor franchise.


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