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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29302: Mar 16th 2015 at 6:50:38 PM

The Doctor is pretty much super problematic too though.

Upper-class white dude coded British who goes around solving problems for lesser races?

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zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#29303: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:00:46 PM

Ekuran: I only asked that because sometimes the writers have jobbed Thor to other non-godly guys. Heck, even Comic! Ultron shouldn't be a problem if Comic! Thor remembered he can use molecular manipulation thanks to his hammer. Then again, if you make a character that powerful, PIS is, at sometime, going to be at play.

Also, Odin and the other top gods are no more than small fries compared to other cosmic entities, Celestials come to mind. I feel that the galaxy busting feats Odin once had,now have been... toned down. If I'm not mistaken (which I can be), before Marvel decided to incoporate the Eternals and the Celestials, yes, Odin and maybe Galactus, were the top dogs in the cosmic heriarchy, supposedly both of them rivaled each other back in the day. Now, well, things are a little bit different.

[up] [up] How people can say that Cap is only "Peak Human" after seeing those feats still eludes me.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:05:54 PM by zsax

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29304: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:02:49 PM

[up][up][up] I figured that's more likely to trigger flashbacks to the time he thought he let Bucky down so Whedon can lay on the angst.

[up][up][up][up] We still need a Star Wars crossover first. Or better yet, a Marvel themed world in Kingdom Hearts since they're both owned by Disney.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:03:22 PM by AlleyOop

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#29305: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:06:19 PM

Well, Star Wars will most likely be in the next Disney Infinity, and come on, we all know it'll also include at the very least Ultron and the twins.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29306: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:07:54 PM

The writers ignore Thor's molecular manipulation abilities because they're basically an insta-win button. As it is the only reason most villains that rival Thor can do so is because they're strong enough to take hits from him.

If you give him the power to magically make everyone stronger than him softer and more crushable than there really isn't much point to having a fight.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29307: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:08:46 PM

I find it somewhat amusing that America is allowed to have a Captain Patriotic and it's considered okay dokey despite all the massive, blatant and utterly ruthless Imperialism american patriotism has caused, but when Britain gets on the game its wrong.

I don't want to rile anybody up here, but what the Hell?

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#29310: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:16:52 PM

Also some of that imperialism was at the request of the British...

  • cough* Iranian coup *cough*

edited 16th Mar '15 7:18:53 PM by Canid117

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#29311: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:17:01 PM

[up][up][up]Ironically, I think you are kind of in something right about Captain America being 'right' because he was made in the USA. The problem with the US comics industry assigning Captain Ethnics to other countries is, well, they are taking upon themselves to define what would be the heroic esence of another people.

If Spain had created its own Capitán España (no, Capitán Trueno and Superlopez don't count), for instance, it'd be far easier to accept.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:17:45 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#29312: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:19:41 PM

I legit never heard the "British Imperialism is the first thing that comes to mind when people see British patriotism, and thus it's bad!" rationale until this thread.

I figured it was just that "American Exceptionalism" works its way into works made in America.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:22:50 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29313: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:19:50 PM

[up][up][up][up] Which is kind of schizophrenic when you consider the British Empire did just as much if not more to defeat the Nazi menace than America did.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:20:08 PM by Gaon

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#29314: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:20:10 PM

Captain Britain was created by Chris Claremont who in fact was british born.

Granted he moved when he was very young.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:20:59 PM by Bocaj

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#29315: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:24:14 PM

[up][up]Lets not get into that discussion. This really isn't the place to discuss Russians, Air Raids and Lend Lease.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29316: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:29:21 PM

I don't want to derail this thread into a discussion about world war two, but I want people to note the glaringly obvious: That it makes no sense to state "British patriotic hero = bad" while completely overlooking the many ills of American patriotism, and then justifying Captain America by comparing it to America's role in WWII while overlooking the British Empire's massive contributon to the war effort.

It's a bizarre double standard that makes no sense whatsoever and while I'm not even close to being British, if that were being said about my country, I'd be pretty angry.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#29317: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:33:31 PM

Our flag is prettier than yours.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:34:08 PM by Canid117

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29318: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:37:02 PM

I just want to point out that the OP wasn't saying that Britain doesn't deserve a Captain Ethnic because of their past, they were claiming that the British wouldn't be so accepting of such a thing because of some kind of national cynicism because of their past.

I don't know how true it is (though I've heard similar things claimed about Germany), but it is an entirely different statement.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:38:23 PM by KnownUnknown

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#29319: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:37:34 PM

I actually am British by birth, and my family comes from a former colony. But this is a weird avenue of discussion, because I wasn't aware that this was a theory, as stated before.

So. Religious implications of Thor. Patriotic implications of Cap. Next... scientific implications of Iron Man? What can be said about the synthesis of a new element in the span of an afternoon, both stable and capable of being produced in quantities enough to power an arc reactor for a couple years?

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29320: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:44:22 PM

Economic turmoil due to oil being obsolete once the reactors are built and integrated into vehicles, power plants, etc.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#29322: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:51:31 PM

Except they will never proliferate because the guy who invented both is a paranoid nut who refuses to share.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29323: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:51:55 PM

I was just thinking that the advent of people with superpowers like mutants having been around for years - maybe even centuries or millennia - would probably result in some kind of religious turmoil.

And would probably also spur a massive re-evaluation of history and folklore due to the sudden possibility that any number of heroes from legend, story or myth weren't just representations or exaggerations of real events, but actual mutants who existed. In a world where superpowers have been around for ages, who knows how many of Grimms stories, or Scheherazade's tales, or classic stories of impossible heroism might turn out to have been actual historical accounts, believed to be fantasy instead?

edited 16th Mar '15 7:53:28 PM by KnownUnknown

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29324: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:56:23 PM

[up][up]Doesn't stop him from building an entire flying country for the Asgardians.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29325: Mar 16th 2015 at 8:01:20 PM

[up][up]That's pretty much already happened in the MCU. Right now it's limited to the Asgardians and their associated mythology but if they ever want to include Hercules and his associated characters they could just say something similar happened with them.


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