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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29176: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:38:17 PM

I, too, think Kamala is awesome and adorable. We need more people like that in the MCU.

edited 12th Mar '15 6:38:53 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29177: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:42:42 PM

[up][up][up] Calm down. It seemed pretty clear to me that waterlustwarrior was being facetious by that. I thought you were just taking an opportunity to vent but it looks like you took them at face value, wow.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29179: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:58:55 PM

If The Stinger for the Captain Marvel movie isn't a teenage Pakistani girl putting up a CM poster on her wall, I don't know what will be.

I actually wonder now if Infinity War won't contain something similar to the Inhumanity plot from Infinity. Maybe a bunch of Terrigen gas is released across the globe somehow.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29180: Mar 12th 2015 at 7:12:43 PM

[up]Inhumans is set to come out after both Infinity Wars now so I'm not so sure. I think the theory that it might be shifted from end of Phase 3 to beginning of Phase 4 makes a lot more sense.

[up][up] From personal experience anytime I see someone use the word "objectively" in response to an opinion-based rankings list like that, trying to sound as smug as possible is the whole point. You don't have to find it funny, but that is the essence of the joke. Unless they're spectacularly poor Trolls, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

edited 12th Mar '15 7:13:51 PM by AlleyOop

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#29181: Mar 12th 2015 at 7:33:35 PM

Thank you, Alley Oop. You understood my posts.

I'm actually surprised that my attempts to express confidence that someone could get a joke would be seen as condescension. My bad. As God is my witness, I'll never overestimate again!

That was me being condescending, which I actually don't like doing.

Seriously though, I don't say this often, but lighten up. I'm not going to be apologetic for cracking a joke every now and then. Nor am I going to lose all trace of subtlety when I make a joke.

edited 12th Mar '15 7:35:08 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#29183: Mar 12th 2015 at 7:36:04 PM

[up]It's something that doesn't exist in the post-Nolanverse DC film universe.

But seriously, you're right, we're getting further off topic.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#29185: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:01:38 PM

What storylines does Kamala have that would be sufficient to support a movie? What are people's ideas for the central plot of a Kamala movie?

edited 12th Mar '15 8:03:10 PM by Galadriel

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#29186: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:12:12 PM

[up]Why is that always the first question that comes up in discussions of newer characters? Comic book movies based on specific storylines are so rare that there's only two of them and the second hasn't even come out yet!

Insofar as a Kamala movie isn't going to happen for at least half a decade, there's plenty of time for her to build up a rouges gallery, and if she can't there's no shame in borrowing from someone else's.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29187: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:29:06 PM

IIRC the plots of Iron Man 2 and 3 were mostly original, even though they took bits and pieces from actual stories. So yeah it is a possibility, although since these two movies are some of the least popular it's also super risky.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29188: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:34:48 PM

[up][up][up] Kamala Khan vs the Thomas Edison clone with a bird head. Plus origin story. Pure hollywood.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#29189: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:36:04 PM

[up][up]Ironman 1 is not hugely based on a single story either, as far I can tell. Just the first part, which is his origins story re purposed to Afghanistan. Actually, I believe Ironman 3 is one movie that is a more direct adaptation of an story arc. Yes, it changed a lot of thing and add the whole "Mandarin" thing, but the basic plot is the same as Extremis, I believe.

Anyway, only Captain America have adapted a story directly, so far. And even Winter Soldier changed a lot of things as well.

edited 12th Mar '15 8:36:28 PM by Heatth

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#29190: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:36:43 PM

I could see Kamala working as a good Audience Surrogate for The Inhumans. She already kinda did in an issue.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#29191: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:45:16 PM

Wack'd - I'm asking the question because when people say "I really want to see a story about such-and-such character", having some idea of what kind of story they'd like to see gives a sense of what would make the movie interesting.

When people are talking about the next Captain America or Thor movie, it's all about "oh, I want to see something related to [x] plotline" or "I hope [y] villain shows up, that would make a great conflict!". For the Black Panther movie, it's somewhat similar. The existing movies aren't anything like direct adaptations, but they seem to take some characters and plot concepts and themes from existing arcs (usually from multiple arcs rather than a single one).

When people are talking about Captain Marvel or Kamala, though, there's a lot of commentary on why the character is cool, but little sense of what kind of story or plot or interaction with the antagonists would make a movie compelling. I'm interested in what people would like to see the character doing. And particularly in the case of Kamala, she comes across as an interesting character from what people are saying, but I haven't heard anyone mention any arcs or conflicts that you could build an action movie around, so I'm interested in what people would like to see.

edited 12th Mar '15 8:47:41 PM by Galadriel

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29192: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:47:59 PM

BIRD. HEAD. THOMAS. EDISON. CLONE.

Who is a giant millennial basher.

Its pretty much great.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#29193: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:52:41 PM

[up][up]They say that because they like the character, not necessarely because they like a specific plotline. Take Hulk, for example. A lot of people wants a new Hulk movie, but not as many actually have an idea to what said movie would be. Sure, suggestions are thrown around, sometimes, but it is mostly about being a movie with the Hulk than anything else.

About Captain Marvel and Kamala. Captain Marvel is mostly a team player nowadays, and her most iconic stories are impossible in the MCU because they don't have the rights to Rogue or Mystiquenote . Kamala Khan is far too recent to actually have an iconic storyline.

edited 12th Mar '15 8:55:06 PM by Heatth

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#29194: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:54:08 PM

Most suggestions I've seen are for a Planet Hulk movie, which might help tie the MCU Earth to the Guardians side of things.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29195: Mar 12th 2015 at 8:55:17 PM

Isn't Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet already going to tie the Guardians of the Galaxy to Earth?

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#29196: Mar 12th 2015 at 9:02:50 PM

Hence why I said 'might HELP' tie.

edited 12th Mar '15 9:03:11 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29197: Mar 12th 2015 at 9:12:43 PM

I thought that's what they said about Captain Marvel.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#29198: Mar 12th 2015 at 9:15:39 PM

She have a story with the cosmic side of Marvel, yeah. Much more than Hulk. The original Captain Marvel was a Kree, after all. I believe at last half of her connection with aliens is tied to the X-Men, though.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29199: Mar 12th 2015 at 9:18:36 PM

She'll probably have a cosmic adventure in her own movie an then join the Avengers. That's the logical place for her to show up.

edited 12th Mar '15 9:18:50 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29200: Mar 13th 2015 at 12:20:08 AM

Step by Step. I first want a Captain Marvel Movie. And then, after they have established her, we can talk about Miss Marvel. (though I like the idea of the Stinger at the end of the Captain Marvel Movie).

As far as "one which story should it be based" question goes, I don't see any harm in it. It is less about adapting a specific story and more about adapting ideas from specific stories. Most of the movies did this so far, including the Iron Man trilogy. They just shuffled stuff around a lot, so much, that the original inspiration wasn't recognizable anymore.

And yes Civil War had a lot of problems but it is nevertheless a great concept if you pull it off right. I am still hoping that it won't be just a movie event, but influence all the TV shows, too, including the Netflix ones (which are hopefully up and running until then).


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