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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29151: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:17:35 PM

I think that would have ended things too simply, especially after Steve already gave a pep talk to all of SHIELD and it didn't work on everyone. Instead Bucky had to make the choice himself to trust Steve despite the craziness to him of listening to someone who isn't his handlers. And in a way, he's still Winter Soldier. He now has to deal with all the different choices available to him as Winter Soldier, someone who's intended to just take orders. He's still got a ways to go before he's Bucky Barnes again. That's more depth compared to the comic, which was good but resolved things too neatly by Bucky magically getting all his memories back.

edited 12th Mar '15 4:18:34 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#29152: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:18:53 PM

can I have some feedback on this ironman video i made?

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29153: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:20:00 PM

[up][up]I'm not saying they should've resolved everything in one movie. A non-brainwashed evil Bucky could've spared Steve's life Fox and the Hound-style or something.

edited 12th Mar '15 4:20:27 PM by spashthebandragon

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#29154: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:20:58 PM

I think Bucky's recovery process would be interesting to explore, and it'll be interesting to find out what kind of a person he becomes throughout the recovery process. He's definitely not going to be same person he was before he "died." Is Bucky going to appear in Cap 3?

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#29155: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:23:26 PM

Yup he is.

[up][up][up]It's an alright video, though I can't say I like the music.

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#29156: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:25:22 PM

A philosophy that can be undone by a pep talk isn't exactly dripping with depth.

edited 12th Mar '15 4:26:08 PM by CorrTerek

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29157: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:26:00 PM

I agree that the brainwashing aspects and probably recovery process open up a lot more interesting potential for Bucky's characterization in future films than the comics, where everything was solved with a lazy deus ex machina. I think it's the better choice in the long term.

[up][up][up]Pretty sure it's been confirmed multiple times that not only is he going to be in the film but that he's going to be a very important figure in it too. He'd better, if they want people to accept him possibly taking over the mantle and avoid They Changed It, Now It Sucks!.

edited 12th Mar '15 4:28:27 PM by AlleyOop

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29158: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:26:05 PM

I hope Bucky is important to Civil War and isn't just the B-plot. I'll probably retroactively like Bucky more in Cap 2 if Cap 3 does awesome things with his character, since at least then the stuff I didn't like led to stuff I did like.

And I know I've said this before, but I'm really worried the MCU will try to do too much at once and turn into X-Men The Last Stand. They really don't need to cram Bucky into a movie about Steve fighting Tony unless Bucky does something important for that conflict.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29159: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:38:39 PM

The whole point of the movie is that Bucky has a choice at the end of it. He chooses to save Steve eventually, and he chooses to go rogue and figure out things for himself. In a way Steve already did free him when he stopped fighting (which was btw a great scene, because Steve put his own desire to protect Bucky aside in order to protect all the other people on the kill list, but the moment he fulfilled his mission, he simply allowed Bucky to fulfil his own ones), essentially saying "If you want to kill me, I wont stop you, because I like you too much to hurt you." If everyone on the world had this kind of courage, there wouldn't be any wars.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29160: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:47:02 PM

I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite. They inserted Tony into a film involving Bucky. That was quite literally the note Winter Soldier ended on and it's confirmed it'll be acknowledged in Age of Ultron as well.

edited 12th Mar '15 4:47:14 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29161: Mar 12th 2015 at 4:57:40 PM

[up][up][up] "They really don't need to cram Bucky into a movie about Steve fighting Tony unless Bucky does something important for that conflict."

... Really? It's clearly the other way around. Iron Man got muscled into a film that should've been focused on Steve and Bucky (or at least Steve's general subset of the MCU) and that's why so many people are angry. This is literally the first time I've ever seen the implication that Bucky is a Spotlight-Stealing Squad in a film about Captain America. Just about everyone else would claim Tony is the less welcome one.

edited 12th Mar '15 4:59:25 PM by AlleyOop

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29162: Mar 12th 2015 at 5:01:45 PM

[up] and [up][up] I'm not trying to insinuate one plotline is more worthy than the other plotline, but given the third movie is called "Civil War," I'm assuming the primary conflict will be Tony vs Steve. The point is, "Dealing with Bucky" feels like a whole different movie from Civil War, which is why I'm concerned the two plotlines won't mesh well.

[up][up][up]Well, this is pure opinion, so feel free to disregard it, but I think you're really overstating the power of that scene. It felt pretty bland and by-the-numbers to me. Pretty much played the "I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight trope to a hilt. In fact, I think Yu-Gi-Oh! did a much better job with that concept when Joey was brainwashed (Yes, even the 4kids dub).

edited 12th Mar '15 5:04:56 PM by spashthebandragon

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HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#29163: Mar 12th 2015 at 5:06:50 PM

I kind of wish Civil War was being split into two parts and wasn't attached specifically to Captain America. Just "Marvel: Civil War" not even Avengers (mainly because I really want Daredevil to show up, though it's probably unlikely). That way multiple subplots can be fit in and it won't feel like anyone is stealing anyone else's spotlight. I see the arc as a shared spotlight that should be treated as such within the films.

I'd even settle for a TV miniseries to stretch the whole thing out, even if the budget had to be cut. Maybe the netflix shows will do something like that as midquels or something for their second (or first in some cases) seasons.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29164: Mar 12th 2015 at 5:14:01 PM

The original Civil War event was a hated Idiot Plot. Feige knows this. He's already promised in interviews that it's going to be way different from the comics because of that. I'm sure there are plenty ways to change it around so Bucky will be a big part of the A-plot for whatever this version's Civil War will be about so I'm not really worried yet. Especially since Age of Ultron hasn't come out yet and that's probably going to make for "required reading".

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29165: Mar 12th 2015 at 5:26:14 PM

Yeah it's a movie we still know next to nothing about at this point. All we know at this point is that Iron Man, Black Panther, Black Widow, Falcon, Bucky, and Hawkeye will be in it, that Spider-Man will likely be in it, and that the plot hinges on something that happens in Age of Ultron.

[up]Two movies would be overkill. And they've spent long enough building up the brands that I don't think they'd just call it "Civil War" without using a familiar franchise name.

edited 12th Mar '15 5:29:00 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29166: Mar 12th 2015 at 5:37:18 PM

I imagine they just want to get it over and done with so they can say they can have a big eye-catching title and adapted a famous storyline to draw in more casual moviegoers, while not pissing off the people who actually read it by threatening Arc Fatigue over a storyline few people even liked.

edited 12th Mar '15 5:37:49 PM by AlleyOop

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#29167: Mar 12th 2015 at 5:50:42 PM

So...just read the first 5 issues of Ms. Marvel today.

Guess who needs her own movie?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29169: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:04:43 PM

[up][up] She's been a way more interesting character so far than her namesake so far. I could see a general miniseries focusing on the younger heroes in the wake of the Inhumans film. Maybe that could be the basis for Phase 4.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29170: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:14:15 PM

I think Phase 4 will probably see some newer younger heroes just because if they're looking for semi-notable people within the Marvel Universe they're exhausting options. Not in a bad way but more that they have some very popular teen heroes like the Runaways and Young Avengers.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29172: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:20:20 PM

If the wave survives to a Phase 4.

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#29173: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:26:22 PM

If The Stinger for the Captain Marvel movie isn't a teenage Pakistani girl putting up a CM poster on her wall, I don't know what will be.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29174: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:30:14 PM

[up][up][up]For future reference, throwing the word "objectively" into your statement doesn't constitute a joke. It just makes you sound super opinionated. And you might want to watch it with the word "obviously," too. It might make you sound a bit condescending.

edited 12th Mar '15 6:31:23 PM by spashthebandragon

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#29175: Mar 12th 2015 at 6:33:18 PM

[up][up]That would be perfect.

I really love the new Ms. Marvel. (As can probably be guessed from my avatar, haha.)

edited 12th Mar '15 6:33:29 PM by DeathsApprentice

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