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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yes and no: those are two separate (albeit similar) stories, he became a great spider, died, then came out of the spider with organic webshooters. Then, in The Other, he died again, got coccooned, then was reborn with those other powers.
Troper Wall * DeviantArtNo smoking in the MCU films
from now on. Not a big deal since I can't remember anyone ever smoking in any of the previous films.
Into, literally, Neo-Fascists. Which isn't exactly that far off from some people involved in the debate about information and control of the media.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."But didn't Hydra start as a branch of the Nazis or something? And, seriously now, are we really trying to argue that the movies depict Hydra sympathetically at all? Even if they aren't technically Nazis, they're still a group of irredeemably evil villains.
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.I don't think anyone said that they're sympathetic, just that if we're going off what we saw in the movies then it looks like they'd moved away from at least some aspects of Nazism.
That doesn't make them any more redeemable it just makes them Pragmatic Villains.
edited 12th Mar '15 2:47:19 PM by comicwriter
I don't mean that Hydra as an organization was portrayed sympathetically. Just that its members were. Pierce is a guy who Nick Fury laments as someone he would have taken a bullet for, and it's clear others were suckered in the same way he was, by viewing the world as too dangerous to be left uncontrolled 24/7. Nick Fury showed himself to be a good guy, but he had some appreciation for idea's that turned out be Hydra's, and it must mean a lot that Pierce called Fury "the most ruthless person I've ever met" when Pierce himself has ordered a missile strike on American soil.
Pleased Greeks and Trojans? I like that one.
To be honest, I don't see much of a difference between killing people because they have the wrong religion or race or sexual orientation or political opinion and killing them because they just don't happen to agree with you and you perceive them as possible danger. In both cases you kill because your victims are somehow "wrong" in your eyes...only the definition of why they are "wrong" changes slightly.
Okay, but the original point here is that the "moral debate" was generalized into "what Captain America believes is right and what Hydra believes is wrong!" The movie never did anything to present the viewpoints otherwise, and therefore the movie has no more or less depth than any other movie depicting a superhero punching a supervillain.
edited 12th Mar '15 2:56:36 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.![]()
The Dark Knight was more of a psychological exploration than a moral debate. The Dark Knight was about why heroes are heroes and villains are villains. Winter Soldier wasn't as concerned with exploring why Cap is so heroic and Hydra is so evil, it was more worried about bringing Cap from one action-packed set piece to the next and giving him plenty of bad guys to fight. Compare Harvey Dent to Bucky. One of them had a complex reason for turning evil. The other was brainwashed and spends most of the movie mute. There's no comparison, really.
And for the record, I don't think Winter Solider is "shallow." I just don't think it has more depth than any of the other MCU movies (Even GotG had its serious moments mixed in there).
edited 12th Mar '15 3:15:33 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.

He's been Spider-man for ten years. He must have been able to find time at some point.