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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29076: Mar 12th 2015 at 11:57:12 AM

[up][up] It was the only film that lived up to the hype for me out of all the well-received hero films that came out this year. Found GOTG a little disappointing, and DOFP was still very good but not something I'd rewatch like I would with TWS.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#29077: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:13:06 PM

[up][up][up] How was anything involving HYDRA a "cheap retcon"? And Bucky's characterization was pretty good, but given that he only had about 20 minutes of actual screentime, I can't say how it compares to the comics.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29078: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:19:17 PM

[up]You think "HYDRA's been inside SHIELD all along!" isn't a cheap retcon? Maybe if they'd actually foreshadowed it at all even the tiniest bit before that movie.

It's really not that big a deal, though. I don't hate the movie or anything, I just don't think the plot is the best thing ever. I don't understand why it always gets called the greatest Marvel movie of all time. What did if have to offer that other Marvel movies didn't? What makes it so especially good?

edited 12th Mar '15 12:20:00 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29079: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:21:40 PM

NVM

edited 12th Mar '15 12:30:03 PM by comicwriter

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#29080: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:23:48 PM

[up][up] Good action, good characterization for both Cap and Black Widow, a good opening scene introducing the Falcon, the Falcon in general, Robert Redford as a villain, etc.

AND YES, a good plot. Best phase 2 movie, barring Age of Ultron, which isn't out yet, and maybe even then.

edited 12th Mar '15 12:25:21 PM by higherbrainpattern

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29081: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:32:57 PM

While I enjoy Got G more, I think Winter Soldier deserves the title as best Marvel movie of all time. What it had to offer? Well, it managed what most comic book adaptation fail to do, touching a theme which is relevant for us and discussing it in a very mature manner. On top of this it had two main characters whose personalities played off each other perfectly (and as little bonus, one was female and it didn't end in a romance). The action scenes were also pretty awesome, especially the fight in the elevator and on the bridge. And it had one of the game changing endings after which nothing will be the same again.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#29082: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:35:16 PM

I found this on RDJ's twitter feed... I REALLY want to know the context, but at the same time I kinda don't because it's better that way.

https://twitter.com/RobertDowneyJr/status/565571332155658240

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#29083: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:35:56 PM

[up][up][up] We still have Ant-Man to look forward to, as well. (So. Fucking. Hyped.)

edited 12th Mar '15 12:36:11 PM by deathpigeon

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#29084: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:37:59 PM

[up][up] Robert Downey Jr. probably just enjoys out-of-context Silver Age comics for their lulworthy dialogue.

[up] I wasn't excited for Ant-Man at first, but I am now!

edited 12th Mar '15 12:39:09 PM by higherbrainpattern

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29085: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:38:33 PM

Winter Soldier is basically Marvel's equivalent to The Dark Knight. It's adored for being very mature, very well-written, superbly acted, serious and down-to-earth. At the same time it's also very fun and doesn't shy away from its comic roots (such as The Falcon's flying shenanigans and Batroc the Leaper, as well as most action scenes).

So everyone was pleased with it, because it managed to be very mature without losing the fun that the MCU has.

To use a traditional Brazilian saying, it pleased both Greeks and Trojans.

edited 12th Mar '15 12:39:05 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#29086: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:38:49 PM

Yeah, I was just wondering what the context of that panel was.

But I guess it's funnier without context. tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29087: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:40:17 PM

[up]Here's the context. It's actually a fake fan-made cover based on the Superdickery Superman covers. Here's another pair.

And here's something crazier that actually is from a Captain America comic.

edited 12th Mar '15 12:40:53 PM by Tuckerscreator

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29089: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:42:14 PM

[up][up][up][up]That's a pretty good explanation, actually. It was the movie that had the best balance of silliness and seriousness.

edited 12th Mar '15 12:44:16 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#29090: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:43:51 PM

@higher: I was already hyped for Ant-Man because, well, it's fucking Ant-Man, why wouldn't I be? Then the trailers came out and I got to see what they were offering, and now it's the movie I'm most hyped for from the MCU. July 17th cannot come fast enough.

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#29091: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:46:32 PM

Having just watched Winter Soldier for the first time a few nights ago, I thought it was good for the same reasons Guardians was good. It was a proper standalone film in a bigger universe that didn't feel the need to serve as pure buildup for Ultron or something else. Rather, it was continuing the story from the first Cap film and didn't worry too much about how it was going to affect the larger story - but instead focused on how it affected Cap. It was just as good as a standalone superhero film as it was a continuation of the MCU in general.

There was also subtle foreshadowing all the way back to Iron Man 2 with the Senator guy from Hydra who was trying to get the Iron Man suits from Stark, which is a lot better than annoying in your face foreshadowing.

"A king has no friends. Only subjects and enemies."
spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#29092: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:49:06 PM

[up]I think that was more of Cap 2 building off previously established plot points than foreshadowing. I seriously doubt the writers had planned that far ahead when they wrote Iron Man 2.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29093: Mar 12th 2015 at 12:53:49 PM

Based on this interview, the HYDRA twist was first thought up around the time of First Avenger and then put into planning the day of the Central Park shoot of The Avengers.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29094: Mar 12th 2015 at 1:04:00 PM

Re: Web shooters from last page

I guess I've just had an problem with a high school student able to synthesize material in enough quantities to be a viable crime fighting tool when the comics are more or less grounded in reality technologically speaking in the civilian market. He doesn't even go about selling the formula

Shooting the webs out of his wrists would be no weirder than any mutant and their powers or the Fantastic Four and their powers.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29095: Mar 12th 2015 at 1:06:44 PM

Of course, there's always the possibility that Feige might just be saying that to cover his ass, though it works either way.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#29096: Mar 12th 2015 at 1:20:41 PM

[up][up] Let's split the difference, Peter Parker invents the web shooters but he generates the raw material by secreting it from between his thighs.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29097: Mar 12th 2015 at 1:23:43 PM

He's tried to sell it several times, but the investors were scared off because it dissolves after only an hour. Most of its uses in the manufacturing sector are rendered null because of that.

edited 12th Mar '15 1:24:20 PM by comicwriter

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#29098: Mar 12th 2015 at 1:37:54 PM

what about medical or military? I can't see someone making something like this and stopping after one person turns them down

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29099: Mar 12th 2015 at 1:53:36 PM

Why can't he just make a version that lasts longer?

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#29100: Mar 12th 2015 at 1:55:28 PM

Because then it might become useful. I occasionally suspect that Reed Richards Is Useless is a prerequesite for any inventor in the Marvelverse.

Although I think I remember that he needed time to change the formula, and he needed the money now.

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.

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