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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28976: Mar 9th 2015 at 1:56:37 PM

[up]No, but they have to start with Dr. Strange pretty much the moment Cumberbatch has time. I think other than the Sherlock Christmas Special there was also some stage production on his schedule, but he should be done with both soon. I am not sure because I decided to avoid Setlock to get not spoiled.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#28977: Mar 9th 2015 at 1:59:46 PM

Re the Kree discussion, Korath strikes me as looking very close to a black human, but there's something "off" about his appearance in the same way that there's something a bit "off" about how Phyla looks as compared to a white human.

So, I think Korath could be evidence of "human looking" Kree in the MCU.

On a related note, thinking about it, it would make sense if the various multicolored people of Xandar, the Human Aliens on Xandar, and the Kree were all the same species, even though the Kree think of themselves as different/superior.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28978: Mar 9th 2015 at 2:22:14 PM

I have no idea what Setlock is...

[up]That's a nice way of making sense of it. I'm sure we will see it clarified a bit in the Captain Marvel movie though it depends on what version of Mar-Vell they go with to give powers to Carol. The Ultimate version was more decidedly non-human looking.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#28979: Mar 9th 2015 at 2:27:17 PM

Oh, they will defeat Ultron, but not before innocent people died
See also damn near every other superhero/supervillain fight ever.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28980: Mar 9th 2015 at 2:30:26 PM

What I suspect is more likely this time around is that the collateral damage is going to be spread out over a much greater area (instead of just New York, Metropolis, or Gotham, Ect.). We know at various points the film will take place in South Korea, South Africa, the fictional country the Maximoffs are from, America, and then possibly Wakanda (or near it). World governments will probably be less than forgiving if they blame the Avengers for basically having a giant slugfest that rampages across the world and results in deaths and property damage in multiple countries.

edited 9th Mar '15 2:30:49 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#28981: Mar 9th 2015 at 2:37:11 PM

I have a feeling that this time around the Avengers will be directly responsible for some of the collateral damage in fighting against Ultron. Whereas almost all the damage in the first movie was implied to be caused by the Chitauri themselves, and the most harm the heroes could do was send some stray Chitauri and Leviathan corpses falling onto on some poor civilians or their houses. This time around the heroes might get sloppy or careless with their abilities, experience Power Incontinence, or get too caught up in winning the battle to look out for the people around them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28982: Mar 9th 2015 at 3:22:40 PM

@comicwriter Sherlock fans have this habit go to the known shooting locations of the show (I am not talking about a handful, I am talking about a sizable number) and then tweet about everything which is going on. That's called "setlock". Makes it really difficult for the writers to keep anything under wraps, to a degree, that they even faked scenes for season 3.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28983: Mar 9th 2015 at 3:27:24 PM

If we assume that Tony is the one who activates Ultron for whatever reason, he is certainly partly responsible for everything what happens after, while with the Chitauri, Shield tampering around with the Tesseract was at best indirectly responsible for Loki staging the big attack. The damage was also, all things considered, very contained thanks to Steve's leadership qualities and the Hulk knowing what he should target. This time around it might be different. The Avengers might even make a big mistake on top of all this.

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A procrastination in of itself
#28984: Mar 9th 2015 at 4:19:42 PM

Also with the Avengers now being public figures it's possible that their arrival somewhere will be noticed and then the arrival of Ultron will be seen as a response to them turning up. Compare that to New York, where the unknown Avengers appeared after an alien race came out of nowhere and started attacking the city.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28985: Mar 9th 2015 at 4:46:19 PM

[up][up][up][up]There's also the likelihood that people are gonna get hurt or die during the Hulkbuster fight. In the trailer it looks like Hulk kicks a cop car at some officers and it doesn't appear to be a spider-Man situation where the hero swoops in and catches it.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#28986: Mar 9th 2015 at 5:42:54 PM

Webhead's job IS catching airborne police cabs.

DAMN the first fight scene in ASM-2 was good. It had Spidey in a fireman's helmet.

Death is the most boring way to show the heroes deal with fucking up; for one you don't get to see one of the heroes deal with fucking up; because they're dead.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#28988: Mar 9th 2015 at 9:17:12 PM

I dunno about you guys, I cannot WAIT to see Daredevil. Aside from Age of Ultron, it's probably my most anticipated MCU project of this year.

And unrelated, but ow, my feelings.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28989: Mar 10th 2015 at 1:38:23 AM

I don't know...I loved Agent Carter and I am really looking forward to Ant-man for some reason. In a way I am on such a constant anticipation high, that it fells normal for me at this point.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#28990: Mar 10th 2015 at 1:50:58 AM

I'm with you on Ant Man. It's the wild card of the Marvel lineup right now, but I have faith in it. I think that one good trailer will turn a lot of people around, especially if they focus on the humour aspect.

edited 10th Mar '15 1:51:40 AM by edvedd

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28991: Mar 10th 2015 at 5:34:05 AM

I am mostly interested in the "father/daughter" aspect they apparently have in the movie. This is a totally new angle for Marvel, so I want to see how the will handle it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#28992: Mar 10th 2015 at 7:54:26 AM

[up][up] I've shown the trailer to a couple people I know, and it got them interested, so I think they probably know what they're doing.

Oh God! Natural light!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28993: Mar 10th 2015 at 8:23:25 AM

I think the trailer is better than the fans give him credit for. It is more designed to address outsiders than the ones which are interested either way, therefore it is mostly about explaining the basics. Not the most riveting of trailers, but it gets its point across: Mentor-Criminal-Daughter-Shrinking.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28994: Mar 10th 2015 at 8:34:50 AM

They uploaded the trailor btw...it looks pretty awesome. I am especially pleased that apparently the lawyer side of things will be not disregarded. That was my greatest worry.

edited 10th Mar '15 8:35:18 AM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#28997: Mar 10th 2015 at 9:13:50 AM

Not bad, although by this point I've heard the Not So Different speech and the "We are nothing alike!" response a million times (not that I'd be unwilling to use it myself). Still, it sounds like they are genuinely going for that angle this time, so I think it'll work.

Oh God! Natural light!
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28998: Mar 10th 2015 at 9:32:25 AM

Btw, one of the three movies the Russo brothers are making for Sony has been revealed as one of the new Ghostbusters movies.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#28999: Mar 10th 2015 at 9:57:13 AM

[up] Possibly starring Channing Tatum.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#29000: Mar 10th 2015 at 10:11:19 AM

I wonder if that will leave them enough time to do Infinity War or if Marvel will hire someone else.


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