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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
If I was in a catsuit with a pistol facing down a giant mechanical serpent, I wouldn't have much to say either.
But I would wonder why I'm wearing a catsuit.
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectMy biggest problem with Avengers was the self-indulgent classic Whedon dialogue. It was witty and funny and great yeah, but it just kept going and going and going and the whole movie was just that and some cool action scenes with a few good character nuggets thrown in.
I also really didn't like how Loki went from an awesome, complex Shakespearean villain in Thor to a wimpy, overconfident, average boring Marvel villain that never once felt like a threat. And god knows the countless mooks weren't threatening either. The stakes were too low for me to care about Avengers.
Maybe the second one will change that, but I still feel like it exists solely as a setup for Civil War, rather than as an interesting standalone story, which Avengers felt like too.
"A king has no friends. Only subjects and enemies."Well, AOU is already far more serious-minded to begin with, with seemingly more of an emphasis on character moments (i.e. the flashbacks).
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectI think I read somewhere that Joss Whedon was interesting in going small for this one. Obviously it's bigger budget, but it's more intimate.
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectI'm highly doubtful that Whedon trying to write dialogue that sounds nothing like his usual dialogue would've resulted in a better picture, nor can I imagine picking anyone else to write the film. Direct, maybe, but not write.
edited 8th Mar '15 9:43:05 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies."You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Tony: "Why is everyone looking at me?"
I don't know what Whedon humor really means, since Avengers is my main experience with him, but Avengers 1 is super one-linery, which imo makes it less entertaining when you don't have a whole crowd around you to react to the lines, because they often stop the movie dead and feel awkward when taken as is.
Still, the big line I have a problem with in the movie is "he's adopted." Other than that, it's more or less alright I guess.
I don't remember who said it before, but I second that one of my big worries coming in Ao U is Widow's personality. If she goes back to being little but snark and She-Fu I'll be pretty disappointed.
edited 8th Mar '15 11:19:38 PM by KnownUnknown
Having seen similar accusations leveled at some other TV writers I enjoy I've basically come to the conclusion that if your name gets big enough people will find minute patterns in your work that they might not've noticed otherwise. Doubly so if they're not fond of you.
I mean, if you watch both Captain Americas and The Dark World you might start to notice Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely's dialogue has a certain rhythm to it. But they haven't, because no one knows who the hell Markus and McFeely are.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Well, whoever they are, good work on the Winter Soldier script.
Most people, if you asked them, would find the individual MCU films somewhat uneven (See: this very thread), but I believe Winter Soldier sort of raised the game and gave the MCU a bit more shine on the whole.
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectSomething kinda
Fridge Brilliance regarding the earlier discussion about Iron Man 3.
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Because I don't think they are going to pull a "Wow, your daughter actually survived the attack that is your motivation for pretty much everything, Drax/was saved by the father of Thanos". Much more likely that she is just a monk in service to the Universal Church of Truth or just introduced as Phyla-Vell's girlfriend who ends up joining the Guardians with her after they save the universe together.
edited 9th Mar '15 12:55:23 AM by LordofLore
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While that's an interesting idea, I don't think it's a metaphor for what the speaker thinks its a metaphor for.
As noted, Tony's problem with Pepper isn't really that he's obsessed with the suits (though, admittedly, it's the movie's fault for trying to pass it off like it is at the end, not necessarily a problem with the interpretation), and given that that scene barely even involves Pepper until the end and especially given that there are still dozens of suits hanging around by the time they get to that point (should it really have been a metaphor for him losing the facades he hides behind in regards to Pepper, it would follow narratively that at the point where this would be the more relevant that he would either have none left or maybe just the one), it doesn't seem to be like that's what they were trying to get across.
However, it is a decent metaphor for Tony getting over his crutch for dealing with his issues with New York. He can't get over his anxiety, so he builds all these suits to protect him. And when he needs them to, they protect him one last time, but now he has to choose between the relying on the suits to protect him or self confidence. Etc.
I still suspect that at its core it's just an attempt at Sequel Escalation, though.
edited 9th Mar '15 12:56:07 AM by KnownUnknown
And I can imagine using this as an opertunity to explore why revenge is kind of a shitty motivation for wanting to kill the guy who wants to kill the universe. Maybe, upon finding out Moondragon is okay, he almost backs out, only to be reminded that Thanos is still a universal threat. Maybe Moondragon gets upset with Drax because revenge isn't in the spirit of what her mom would've wanted, or thinks he should be bigger than revenge, or something. I dunno.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.About the discussion above with Pepper and the armor in Iron Man 3, I was under the impression that one of the motivations for Tony to build the Mark 42 armour was specifically to be able to protect Pepper by suiting her into the armour should the need arise. I guess he had a special set of gestures to specify that the armour was not to be set on him, but on someone else (or possibly just Pepper).
As for her handling of the armour, I thought she managed rather decently for someone who had absolutely zero experience with using it, especially as it was not functionning at full capacity. For one thing, she instantly realised that she could protect Tony from the falling debris.
Seriously, my only complaint about the Pepper action scenes in IM 3 is that there were not enough of them. I keep hoping (but I sadly would not bet on it) that we could see Extremis Pepper again in future movies, as Tony's comment about "fixing her" in the end is awfully (purposefully ?) vague.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.I never bought into the "Whedon is so great with female characters" party line until I watched the Avengers. Because, let's face it, the portrayal of Black Widow in Iron Man 2 was awful and Scarlet Johansen, was the only saving grace of the character. That and a badass fight-scene. But then Avengers came around and not only did Black Widow get some practical clothes, but also a character-establishing scene which is one of the best scenes in the whole MCU and made pretty clear: Never, ever underestimate this women. It was time devoted to her demons, she had her own little arc with Bruce and Clint and in the end, she is the one who has to make the hard decision and close the portal even though Tony isn't back yet. It was just great on every level. There is a reason why the calls for a Black Widow movie got loud after The Avengers.
And concerning the dialogues: Yeah, there is always the danger that Whedon gets a little bit overindulgent with his one-liners, but at least he knows how to write a proper dialogue. My main complain about Nolan is always that his characters never talk like normal people but like melodramatic philosophers.
edited 9th Mar '15 2:03:08 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.I don't mind one-liners in an action movie. It's almost part of the formula for me.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.![]()
It's weird, because she has long hair in other Marvel movies, but she goes back to short for the Avengers movies.

To be honest, "I don't see how that's a party" is probably something that I would say in that situation.
Well, maybe. If I wasn't too busy shitting myself in fear.
Oh God! Natural light!