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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
"if Tony had made her promises and then just vanished the next day, she actually had a valid reason to be angry with him. A woman scorned... "
That's kind of petty too though.
She stages terrorism and kidnaps the president and its all sparked by being stood up? Women be cray cray?
Yeahhhhhh, not sure if that would have been better.
edited 8th Mar '15 3:18:18 PM by Bocaj
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Depends on the situation and the promises...it might be stupid to believe a guy with Tony's reputation when he tells you that you are something special, but it is definitely a shitty thing to do and the feeling of betrayal can be very deep if you decide to give someone your trust. Plus, just like with Killian, there would have been no reason to say that this is her main motivation.
edited 8th Mar '15 3:23:46 PM by Swanpride
Overall thoughts on the Iron Man trilogy: First one is fantastic and one of the best in the MCU, second one is meh, not exactly a good movie but still decent and more memorable than The Incredible Hulk, and third one was not as good as the first but still pretty good.
Why wouldn't she be Drax's real daughter? I don't know much of her character aside from what I've read in the post Annihilation Guardians of Galaxy, but I don't see what would be the problem in keeping their relationship.
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I actually don't think that the first one is fantastic...the first half is, but the second half has a very weird pacing.
I guess that whoever they pick for Got G, they will be similar to their counterparts, but not identical to them. Since Got G is such an obscure property (though I bet that it grew in popularity after the movie), the writers have a lot of freedom with the character. Perhaps they even decide to add another character from the original group to the movie.
edited 8th Mar '15 3:26:28 PM by Swanpride
One of the main issues with Tony blowing up the suits is that it doesn't really address his personal problems in the first place, nor his problems with Pepper - it was a superficial fix, but being Iron Man wasn't what caused his problems, it's just how he expressed dealing with them. Taking all the problems of the world upon himself and being unable to adequately connect to others, let alone let them in despite the damage pushing them away (while deciding what's best for them) might bring, has always been the problem. It won't go away just because one of his outlets is gone, and if Ultron is any indication it's still something he can't deal with.
Something similar happened in Iron Man 2 - where he stopped the thing that was setting him off but didn't really grow as a person, but at least the end of 2 acknowledged that this was the case via Fury. 3 treats the blowing up of the suits as the culmination of a character arc that wasn't adequately dealt with.
At least it allows that trait to be dealt with in a much better way (I'm hoping) in Ultron and Civil War. Still, Tony blowing up the suits felt extremely... superfluous.
Edit: Sorry that this probably missed the conversation entirely. I forgot to post it earlier, and just clicked send once I saw it forgetting that a lot of time passed since it was relevant to the current topic...
edited 8th Mar '15 3:39:53 PM by KnownUnknown
Maya being the Big Bad in IM 3 would have been pretty cool, actually...but I'm kinda torn because I hate the Woman Scorned trope with a burning passion. I'd hope she'd have had a better reason than being stood up by Tony.
When we're done, there won't be anything left.Maya is another off point about that movie. She ultimately has no real input on the plot (I suspect she had a actual role in earler drafts but it was cut out) and the fact that she contributes little and is ultimately disposable even comes into play in regards to Killian shooting her - due to him being able to do everything she could without her even needing to be there. She has a scene where she bemoans her motives, but since she's not really important to the plot as a whole it comes off more as not only her stalling, but the movie needing something to put there that wasn't either Killian directly or more Tony (a "passage of time" sort of thing).
I really wish she either got more development and presence, or was just not in there at all if they weren't going to use her screentime to really lead to anything.
edited 8th Mar '15 3:49:43 PM by KnownUnknown
I don't know why we're giving Iron Man 3 in particular so much crap when none of the MCU movies have incredibly good storytelling. They're just fun action movies with interesting characters and snappy one-liners. The plot's never been their strong suit. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's just how they are.
edited 8th Mar '15 3:59:42 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.For what it's worth I actually liked Iron Man 3, even more than IM 1 (IM 2 remains the weak point of the series for me). I was surprised by the Mandarin twist, but in a good way, and I was glad to see Pepper have some action scenes and Rhodey remind us that he's a badass soldier. Also, the kid was surprisingly not annoying.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.It helps that they writers were clearly aware of the absurdity of the concept when played straight and thus never really treated Harley as a sidekick. Every time he looked like he was going to be, Tony said something hilarious and nasty that reminded us who we were dealing with.
edited 8th Mar '15 4:13:37 PM by KnownUnknown
"Hey! Hey! Tell me about New York."
"Saying New York makes me break out in a severe traumatic attack and I can't breathe."
"NEW YORK! WORMHOLE."
"Oh my God, fuck you, small child."
My various fanfics.I liked him, or rather I liked his scenes with Stark.
Someone pointed out to me that thats basically the same way that Tony operates, like him tazing Bruce on the helicarrier and continually prodding him.
edited 8th Mar '15 4:14:57 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI found myself thinking that Tony aged ten may not have been that different from Harley, actually.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.It's not that I dislike him, it is more like his presence felt like pandering. And like I said, it was fairly stupid to keep Pepper and Tony apart for most of the movie. I don't know why the hell every writer seems to believe that they need to make relationships complicated so that they are more "realistic". I mean, yes, real live relationships have their ups and downs, but if they are "down" whenever there is a crisis, then they are very dysfunctional. Plus, what the hell is wrong with Tony and Pepper simply being happy together? Their life is complicated enough without adding contrived relationship problems.
Tony mostly shrugs off Happy's paranoia that Pepper and Killian are going to get together and Pepper reacts to another of Tony's exes with a 'here we go again'
The worst threat to the relationship is Tony's PTSD and his unwillingness/inability to communicate it to Pepper.
The relationship is never really in danger, although Pepper is kidnapped so that Tony has to rescue her which is pretty much the cliche. Made somewhat better by Pepper having to save Tony in the end.
If there IS another Iron Man movie, I want longer armored Pepper sequence.
edited 8th Mar '15 4:56:07 PM by Bocaj
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They should have stuck with Maya as the big bad...for one it would have actually surprised me (somewhat) and two, if Tony had made her promises and then just vanished the next day, she actually had a valid reason to be angry with him. A woman scorned...
Killian on the other hand...I have a hard time to blame Tony for not wanting to talk with this stalker guy who couldn't take a hint and kept pestering him. Just because Tony is a celebrity he is not required to listen to every crazy person who wants to talk to him. There are proper channels for stuff like that, and if someone says "no", you have to respect that. Sending this guy to the roof was the fastest way to get rid of him (he didn't even miss the fireworks this way).