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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#28751: Mar 7th 2015 at 3:34:25 PM

[up][up]Nah, it's fine. It was just weird, because I don't think we've ever really seen Rhodey and Happy interact but they don't seem like they'd be very comparable, personality-wise. Like, they're both very business-minded people but Happy just takes it to such comic extremes and I dunno, maybe Rhodey would find that endearing but more likely he'd just be kinda put off by it.

edited 7th Mar '15 3:35:00 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#28752: Mar 7th 2015 at 3:51:03 PM

Rhodey is legitimately laugh out loud hilarious and is the only nice face of the MCU american military at the moment, so I'm certain he'll have lots of appearances in upcoming movies if they're not going for Thunderbolt Ross flavour military. (And even then you may want Rhodey in the scenes to make the thing more watchable. Can you imagine Rhodey in a Hulk sequal? Mmmm yes, that's good stuff.)

I'd fully expect him to be in the Captain Marvel movie actually; regardless of their relationship in the comics. It also makes sense for him to appear in the Black Panther movie if the adaptation goes the full political route. (People here have already heard my hypothosis that if you insist on adding the real mandarin, it would be best to put him in the Black Panther franchise, because at least then he can be politically grey rather than a yellow terror force of evil)

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28753: Mar 7th 2015 at 3:53:12 PM

[up][up][up] Those are for the most part what I think will happen except for Captain America and Nick Fury.

In fact, I think Cap will die and pass the mantle down to the Falcon or Bucky and Nick will stay around for a long time doing what Nick Fury does best.

Also I expect Peter Parker to eventually die and hand the mantle down to Miles Morales a decade or so in the future after Spider-man gets his film.

Of course maybe Cap retires and Peter dies or Cap dies and Peter retires.

edited 7th Mar '15 3:55:20 PM by MadSkillz

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#28754: Mar 7th 2015 at 3:58:14 PM

I don't have much to add to this discussion, but yeah. Here's a radical idea: let's not kill black characters, especially black superheroes, and use their deaths as a prop to motivate the white Avengers into some angsty "Character Development".

edited 7th Mar '15 4:00:46 PM by higherbrainpattern

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28755: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:02:29 PM

I've seen people theorize that Cap could die in Civil War and then they could temporarily bring him back in Infinity War Part 2 using the Soul or Time Gem. ten you could have the six original Avengers back one last time before Evans presumably goes off to do other things.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#28756: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:15:21 PM

The soul gem would be a good way to explain recasting of characters previously killed off as their actors leave....

Falcon is absolutely my favourite to replace Cap when ever Chris Evans leaves for what ever reason. Bucky I feel works better as a villain (The MCU is severely lacking in compelling villains able to make reappearances) and Anthony Mackie gives such a likeable performance I think it would be a missed opportunity not to give him a franchise to headline.

I'm really fond of legacy heroes; they allow the setting to visually change with the times and age, and allows Marvel to continue to play franchise roulette and avoid things going stale. I'm not against characters coming back from the dead and recast, but I feel like four years is the correct amount of minimum time to let death settle.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28757: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:16:15 PM

That's a cute Wasp statue.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#28758: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:17:02 PM

[up][up] Bucky's not a villain though. He was clearly brainwashed.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28760: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:20:59 PM

One thing I'm thinking about is do you think Hawkeye would be Pro or Anti Reg? If they have him on Iron Man's side they could use that Cap vs. Hawkeye fight scene they wanted to do during Winter Soldier.

What it was going to be, we were trying to complicate the relationship between Cap and his S.H.I.E.L.D agent friends. If Hawkeye got a call from S.H.I.E.L.D saying Captain America is a fugitive, would he listen to that call or not listen to that call? That sequence actually was heartbreaking for us to cut it. I think it ultimately might have been a conflict with Renner’s schedule. But there was a great sequence where Hawkeye was chasing Cap through Washington D.C. there was an awesome sequence where they confronted each other in a ravine on the outskirts of D.C. and Hawkeye was shooting a series of arrows closing in on Cap, Cap closing in on him. And then Cap took him down and he realized for the first time that Hawkeye was trying to trick S.H.I.E.L.D, where he whispered something into Cap’s ear that Cap had a tracker on his suit and to punch Hawkeye to make it look real, because there was a Quinjet hovering above where they were watching the feedback back at S.H.I.E.L.D.

So it was a cool sequence. But look, there’s a million iterations of films, and especially when dealing with Marvel movies where characters can come in or come out during the creative process. And you keep working and working like a Rubik’s Cube till you find the right configuration where everything lines up. So even though we lost that sequence, I think we may have streamlined the movie and made it a little bit more propulsive.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28761: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:22:56 PM

Not even an Antagonist...Bucky is a living weapon.

I am not too found of Legacy characters. If the MCU keeps going, perhaps.

[up] There was this interview in which is explained that Hawkeye was never loyal to SHIELD, but to Nick Fury. So I guess it depends on Nick Fury's opinion on that matter, and on Natasha's decision...and she would most likely follow Cap's lead.

edited 7th Mar '15 4:24:30 PM by Swanpride

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#28762: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:23:31 PM

Honestly what role could Bucky play as an antagonist past the Winter Soldier? He's already on the path to becoming reformed, and it's pretty well established he's a decent guy at heart, even after the brainwashing, so having him stay an enemy would just retread old material and feel like a copout.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28763: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:26:19 PM

Actually now that I think about it Hawkeye could be The Mole on Stark's squad.

That's the thing. I still have no idea how the teams will break down beyond the stupidly obvious ones like Falcon.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#28764: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:33:53 PM

I'd think Hawkeye would be on the pro-Reg side, given his role as a SHIELD operative.

I don't see Buckey being a villain (or even necessarily antagonist) in future films.

Not really sure about whether either he or Sam will take on the mantle of Cap (assuming Steve is out of commission, at least temporarily)- but I suppose both of them could at different points.

I know Sebastian Stan signed up for a lot of films, so on that evidence, it seems more likely that he'd be Cap than that Sam would- especially because Buckey has some superhuman abilities.

On the other hand, in terms of characterization, it would make much more sense for Sam to take over the role.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28765: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:37:11 PM

I think we could see Bucky as Cap as part of his redemptive arc.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#28766: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:38:43 PM

Yeah, I'm positive that Buckey will be Cap at some point. Would be cool if at the very least, Sam started wearing the Captain America version of his costume.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#28767: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:38:47 PM

I'd kind of like to see Hawkeye on Cap's side and Natasha on Tony's, personally.

Hawkeye, I'll admit, largely because I feel like Cap's Kooky Quartet being united is a must, but also because the latest interviews seem to paint a picture of a character who would feel that external regulation isn't necessary.

Natasha, on the other hand... really, the only defining thing I can see for her is her friendship with Cap, and she strikes me as the type who would put her individual beliefs over friendship. She didn't seem to have any problem with a "threat list" in the first Avengers.

Plus, having them on different sides allows them to continue developing independently of each other, as well as provides some extra sense of tension and how divisive the conflict really is.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#28768: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:43:53 PM

I think Black Widow would be anti-reg simply because she's thus far had no experience with a government that wasn't in some way evil or corrupt.

I mean, moreso than the vast majority of people on Earth have had no experience with a government that wasn't in some way evil or corrupt.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#28769: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:50:17 PM

Widow's decision to dump SHIELD's secrets was a major source of character development for her in The Winter Soldier indicating how she's willing to sacrifice her own security for freedom. Also the fact of HYDRA being in SHIELD has probably made her even more distrustful of regulatory agencies in general. Being Pro-Reg would be a huge step back for her IMO.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#28770: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:56:08 PM

Those are really good points. But there's still a whole movie left in-between for more development to occur. If it weren't for Ultron's rampage, Tony being pro-regulation would be seen as a step backwards as well. I'd like to think that the Ultron Program would serve as a grim reminder of why an organization like SHIELD is needed... when supers are allowed to run around independently, they're just as liable to cause destruction as the forces they fight.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28771: Mar 7th 2015 at 4:57:10 PM

I wonder if they might bring in some other new heroes just so Stark's side isn't completely outmatched. Then again he has his Iron Legion, but he probably won't be trying that again after Ultron hijacks them.

edited 7th Mar '15 4:57:31 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#28772: Mar 7th 2015 at 5:00:07 PM

Stark has a Hulk. He'll be fine.

(Not to mention War Machine and Black Panther are almost certainly going to side with him, one having always had trust that the government can benefit freedom fighters, and one wants you to keep your super hero fights out of his damn country)

Although you can make the argument that Cap will likely have a lot more people side with him; Falcon, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye and possibly Black Widow. The heavy hitters are the ones who have reason to want the government to be responsible for their well-being and conduct.

edited 7th Mar '15 5:09:53 PM by Whowho

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#28773: Mar 7th 2015 at 5:16:48 PM

In regards to Bucky coming back for more after Winter Soldier, why not have him be US Agent, you know, as a way of atoning for everything he's done post-World War II?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#28774: Mar 7th 2015 at 5:30:41 PM

[up][up][up][up] Not necessarily. Since Stark was fairly anti-government to begin with, his moving from that direction towards becoming Pro-Reg would still be a valid direction for Character Development, if not necessarily positive for the character.

[up] Probably because the "Captain America" brand has more punch to it. Though they might take some elements from his design because for all the problems they've had getting Cap's costume right the Bucky Cap outfit has a lot of potential to look even sillier.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#28775: Mar 7th 2015 at 5:33:36 PM

Why would Panther take either side? It's not a conflict that concerns him in anyway.


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