Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules
still apply.
- This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
- While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread
. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
- Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.
If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Rhodey is legitimately laugh out loud hilarious and is the only nice face of the MCU american military at the moment, so I'm certain he'll have lots of appearances in upcoming movies if they're not going for Thunderbolt Ross flavour military. (And even then you may want Rhodey in the scenes to make the thing more watchable. Can you imagine Rhodey in a Hulk sequal? Mmmm yes, that's good stuff.)
I'd fully expect him to be in the Captain Marvel movie actually; regardless of their relationship in the comics. It also makes sense for him to appear in the Black Panther movie if the adaptation goes the full political route. (People here have already heard my hypothosis that if you insist on adding the real mandarin, it would be best to put him in the Black Panther franchise, because at least then he can be politically grey rather than a yellow terror force of evil)
![]()
![]()
Those are for the most part what I think will happen except for Captain America and Nick Fury.
In fact, I think Cap will die and pass the mantle down to the Falcon or Bucky and Nick will stay around for a long time doing what Nick Fury does best.
Also I expect Peter Parker to eventually die and hand the mantle down to Miles Morales a decade or so in the future after Spider-man gets his film.
Of course maybe Cap retires and Peter dies or Cap dies and Peter retires.
edited 7th Mar '15 3:55:20 PM by MadSkillz
The soul gem would be a good way to explain recasting of characters previously killed off as their actors leave....
Falcon is absolutely my favourite to replace Cap when ever Chris Evans leaves for what ever reason. Bucky I feel works better as a villain (The MCU is severely lacking in compelling villains able to make reappearances) and Anthony Mackie gives such a likeable performance I think it would be a missed opportunity not to give him a franchise to headline.
I'm really fond of legacy heroes; they allow the setting to visually change with the times and age, and allows Marvel to continue to play franchise roulette and avoid things going stale. I'm not against characters coming back from the dead and recast, but I feel like four years is the correct amount of minimum time to let death settle.
One thing I'm thinking about is do you think Hawkeye would be Pro or Anti Reg? If they have him on Iron Man's side they could use that Cap vs. Hawkeye fight scene they wanted to do during Winter Soldier.
So it was a cool sequence. But look, there’s a million iterations of films, and especially when dealing with Marvel movies where characters can come in or come out during the creative process. And you keep working and working like a Rubik’s Cube till you find the right configuration where everything lines up. So even though we lost that sequence, I think we may have streamlined the movie and made it a little bit more propulsive.
Not even an Antagonist...Bucky is a living weapon.
I am not too found of Legacy characters. If the MCU keeps going, perhaps.
There was this interview in which is explained that Hawkeye was never loyal to SHIELD, but to Nick Fury. So I guess it depends on Nick Fury's opinion on that matter, and on Natasha's decision...and she would most likely follow Cap's lead.
edited 7th Mar '15 4:24:30 PM by Swanpride
Actually now that I think about it Hawkeye could be The Mole on Stark's squad.
That's the thing. I still have no idea how the teams will break down beyond the stupidly obvious ones like Falcon.
I'd think Hawkeye would be on the pro-Reg side, given his role as a SHIELD operative.
I don't see Buckey being a villain (or even necessarily antagonist) in future films.
Not really sure about whether either he or Sam will take on the mantle of Cap (assuming Steve is out of commission, at least temporarily)- but I suppose both of them could at different points.
I know Sebastian Stan signed up for a lot of films, so on that evidence, it seems more likely that he'd be Cap than that Sam would- especially because Buckey has some superhuman abilities.
On the other hand, in terms of characterization, it would make much more sense for Sam to take over the role.
I'd kind of like to see Hawkeye on Cap's side and Natasha on Tony's, personally.
Hawkeye, I'll admit, largely because I feel like Cap's Kooky Quartet being united is a must, but also because the latest interviews seem to paint a picture of a character who would feel that external regulation isn't necessary.
Natasha, on the other hand... really, the only defining thing I can see for her is her friendship with Cap, and she strikes me as the type who would put her individual beliefs over friendship. She didn't seem to have any problem with a "threat list" in the first Avengers.
Plus, having them on different sides allows them to continue developing independently of each other, as well as provides some extra sense of tension and how divisive the conflict really is.
I think Black Widow would be anti-reg simply because she's thus far had no experience with a government that wasn't in some way evil or corrupt.
I mean, moreso than the vast majority of people on Earth have had no experience with a government that wasn't in some way evil or corrupt.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Widow's decision to dump SHIELD's secrets was a major source of character development for her in The Winter Soldier indicating how she's willing to sacrifice her own security for freedom. Also the fact of HYDRA being in SHIELD has probably made her even more distrustful of regulatory agencies in general. Being Pro-Reg would be a huge step back for her IMO.
Those are really good points. But there's still a whole movie left in-between for more development to occur. If it weren't for Ultron's rampage, Tony being pro-regulation would be seen as a step backwards as well. I'd like to think that the Ultron Program would serve as a grim reminder of why an organization like SHIELD is needed... when supers are allowed to run around independently, they're just as liable to cause destruction as the forces they fight.
Stark has a Hulk. He'll be fine.
(Not to mention War Machine and Black Panther are almost certainly going to side with him, one having always had trust that the government can benefit freedom fighters, and one wants you to keep your super hero fights out of his damn country)
Although you can make the argument that Cap will likely have a lot more people side with him; Falcon, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye and possibly Black Widow. The heavy hitters are the ones who have reason to want the government to be responsible for their well-being and conduct.
edited 7th Mar '15 5:09:53 PM by Whowho
In regards to Bucky coming back for more after Winter Soldier, why not have him be US Agent, you know, as a way of atoning for everything he's done post-World War II?
![]()
![]()
![]()
Not necessarily. Since Stark was fairly anti-government to begin with, his moving from that direction towards becoming Pro-Reg would still be a valid direction for Character Development, if not necessarily positive for the character.
Probably because the "Captain America" brand has more punch to it. Though they might take some elements from his design because for all the problems they've had getting Cap's costume right the Bucky Cap outfit has a lot of potential to look even sillier.

edited 7th Mar '15 3:35:00 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.